https://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/w/api.php?action=feedcontributions&user=Sheila&feedformat=atomFuture Of Mankind - User contributions [en]2024-03-28T11:33:10ZUser contributionsMediaWiki 1.35.2https://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/w/index.php?title=Talk:Self-Knowledge&diff=19945Talk:Self-Knowledge2013-05-21T12:39:13Z<p>Sheila: Comment provided by Sheila - via ArticleComments extension</p>
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== Allah. said ... ==<br />
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Selbsterkenntnis could also be translated as "self cognition", like could be seen here ---> https://figu.org/dict/node/5893<br />
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--[[User:Allah.|Allah.]] ([[User talk:Allah.|talk]]), Endless Desert, 05:56, 20 May 2013 (CEST)<br />
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Perfect timing...Hi Allah, I just wanted to apologize for our previous quarrels and am very glad you stayed the course and are still on the path. Thank you for that and please know that I send you oodles of love.<br />
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--[[User:Sheila|Sheila]] ([[User talk:Sheila|talk]]), 14:39, 21 May 2013 (CEST)<br />
</div></div>Sheilahttps://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/w/index.php?title=Talk:Plausible_Deniability&diff=19910Talk:Plausible Deniability2013-05-10T21:20:05Z<p>Sheila: Comment provided by Sheila - via ArticleComments extension</p>
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Excellent article dear Jim. I have come to a different conclusion regarding mutilations...they are done by our very own black ops. These continue to this day, a recent one in Montana and they specifically target religious communities with low populations.<br />
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--[[User:Sheila|Sheila]] ([[User talk:Sheila|talk]]), 17:13, 7 May 2013 (CEST)<br />
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I know this link isn't directly related to what you've put up here James but I do find it fascinating and wonder what other readers say? I know there are no such thing as "angels" so am aware that we are dealing with something from another dimension but if there was one video I'd like Billy to question the Plejarans on, this would be it! What do the readers say about this man with the glowing hands who seems to have stopped time to rescue someone?<br />
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http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2013/05/angel-saving-man-caught-on-cam-2639350.html<br />
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Hope the link works!<br />
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Probably a fake I'd say, Catherine. A very good one though. There is a smaller chance that its a real event but I'm leaning towards a fake event created using a computer and a special effects software package like Adobe After Effects. See these example effects easily done with it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UY9NZXKjarg<br />
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OK seems like you might be correct thanks James. However, the driver of the truck still slammed on his brakes, got out and seemed bewildered as if he knew he'd hit something but couldn't find it. Hmmmmmm....<br />
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--[[User:Cat|Cat]] ([[User talk:Cat|talk]]), NZ, 04:08, 9 May 2013 (CEST)<br />
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Hi Cat, if it wasn't CGI it could be teleportation but not sure if it was material or spiritual. And Still They Fly has a few good examples of unconsciously triggered teleportation on pages 88 & 89.<br />
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--[[User:Sheila|Sheila]] ([[User talk:Sheila|talk]]), 23:20, 10 May 2013 (CEST)<br />
</div></div>Sheilahttps://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/w/index.php?title=Talk:Plausible_Deniability&diff=19894Talk:Plausible Deniability2013-05-07T15:13:44Z<p>Sheila: Comment provided by Sheila - via ArticleComments extension</p>
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Excellent article dear Jim. I have come to a different conclusion regarding mutilations...they are done by our very own black ops. These continue to this day, a recent one in Montana and they specifically target religious communities with low populations.<br />
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--[[User:Sheila|Sheila]] ([[User talk:Sheila|talk]]), 17:13, 7 May 2013 (CEST)<br />
</div></div>Sheilahttps://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/w/index.php?title=Talk:Mariangela&diff=19796Talk:Mariangela2013-04-06T13:16:30Z<p>Sheila: Comment provided by Sheila - via ArticleComments extension</p>
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Hallo to everyone.I hope to find other Pleiadian souls from Electra here.Welcome in my page starsisters and starbrother.Smiles :)<br />
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--[[User:Mariangela|Mariangela]] ([[User talk:Mariangela|talk]]), Parma,Italy, 01:35, 6 April 2013 (CEST)<br />
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Welcome Mariangela! Just wondering how you figured out that you are a Pleiadian soul from Electra?<br />
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--[[User:Sheila|Sheila]] ([[User talk:Sheila|talk]]), 15:16, 6 April 2013 (CEST)<br />
</div></div>Sheilahttps://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/w/index.php?title=Talk:The_History_Of_Man&diff=19770Talk:The History Of Man2013-03-21T14:29:10Z<p>Sheila: Comment provided by Sheila - via ArticleComments extension</p>
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== Epicn2l said ... ==<br />
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Can anyone shine some light on Hesperides?<br />
All I can find is that is was a star system. What region or other name does this system have? Any other information given by the Plejaren or Billy would be greatly appreciated. Salome.<br />
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--[[User:Epicn2l|Kit Varela]] ([[User talk:Epicn2l|talk]]), Hyperborea (Florida), 20:47, 19 March 2013 (CET)<br />
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== Sheila said ... ==<br />
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Next time someone tells me to go straight to Hyades, I'm going to take that as a compliment. Since it's really not hell as we've often been told, but instead a solar system.<br />
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--[[User:Sheila|Sheila]] ([[User talk:Sheila|talk]]), 15:29, 21 March 2013 (CET)<br />
</div></div>Sheilahttps://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/w/index.php?title=Talk:The_act_of_giving_assistance_to_those_that_ask_for_it&diff=19595Talk:The act of giving assistance to those that ask for it2013-01-09T18:06:45Z<p>Sheila: Comment provided by Sheila - via ArticleComments extension</p>
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Enter your comment here.<br />
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--[[User:Cupnsaucer|Cupnsaucer]] ([[User talk:Cupnsaucer|talk]]), 03:01, 6 January 2013 (GMT)<br />
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== Sheila said ... ==<br />
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Good job Peter! Good lessons to learn. When you think about childhood incidents that seemed to have marked you (like they mark everyone), please look at it from all angles, not just your own. Sometimes your memory of it was not what really happened because you only remember how it made you feel. Others memories of the same incidents will not be the same. Also a good lesson to never try and change people as too many people go into a marriage with this attitude and often results in divorce. Be the person you really are and that will attract others. Not sure if we are at the stage that it will attract potential wives to the point of being able to share you with each other, but good luck with that.<br />
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== David P.Curcione said ... ==<br />
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! The Umverse True Age is not: (13,500,000 Years ld too! It"s alot older too! P.S. The True Age is Around about (46,000,000,000,000 0ld too! The Year is in (B.C.E )too!! The Earth age is Around )4,500,000,000 Years old too! THE son of GOD WAS BORN ON Earth IN israil MATIOM ABOUT 2010 years age in 1 A.D. too! <br />
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I think maybe you wandered into the wrong site my friend. Please check the info contained here and give it some good thought! Salome<br />
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i believe this 110%....my contact friends the zeta reticulans are part of this universe as well as all of us...joe<br />
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The statement of "Approximately 1,500,000,000,000 years after the Big Bang the first solid matter came into existence. " is wrong and could be caused by a misunderstanding of "Ptaah 660:Approximately 1,500,000,000,000 years. " in contact repro 238. Actually, Ptaah was answering how long it took for the first solid material to come into existence AFTER first fine matter began to change into its transitional form. It's not after Big Bang. Article "Event Timeline" has the correct understanding.<br />
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I was just looking at www.disclose.tv when an advert appeared for Michael horns new movie and it stated that Amy Horn is his 22 year old wife. I thought she was his daughter. can someone clarify please?<br />
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Hi Zameen, Amy is Michael's new bride. It's really not as weird as one would think. My friend was with a man who was 37 years older and when they were together there was nothing strange about it, they got along so good and made a great couple. I'm sure Michael and Amy are the same way.<br />
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--[[User:Sheila|Sheila]] ([[User talk:Sheila|talk]]), 14:58, 16 October 2012 (BST)<br />
</div></div>Sheilahttps://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/w/index.php?title=Talk:Contact_Report_156&diff=19057Talk:Contact Report 1562012-08-26T14:20:23Z<p>Sheila: Comment provided by Sheila - via ArticleComments extension</p>
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I find it interesting although some group members were straying and wanted to live a different life and had there problems, they were still able to work and get things done when the most important task was at hand.:)<br />
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In this and some other Contact Reports Quetzal gave tips that could be used by Terrans to improve their human resource quality, not only for industrial purposes, but also for personal progress. The tips do not have the details about how exactly they should be applied, but only the broadlines of processes. Perhaps it is because Quetzal is not allowed to give the details, or perhaps because he thinks that Terrans have enough ability to find them out themselves and apply them in the forms, which could suit them well in their daily life . In this Contact Report, for example, Quetzal only said that manual activity is needed to increase the material consciousness-related learning capacity. There is no detailed information about how to do it. The readers could only figure it out themselves.<br />
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The Plejarens do not know exactly what types of tips to offer the Earthly humans simply for the fact that they do not have the necessary experiences to apply such measures to such a broad range of human degenerative attributes. What may be logical in their terms and experiences may not necessary be valid for Earth humans, even if they did do some technological analysis, the outcome may trigger a wrong response due to the fact that many here on Earth do not follow logical convention and are often delusional and irrational.<br />
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Manual labor is beneficial for both the evolved and unevolved ones because it causes the release of endorphins or “runner’s high” a state of mind elevation often after some intense physical activity. However for those who already experienced the rigors of intense concentration, physical activity is not a prerequisite since the individual mindset is geared towards intense internal processing, thus their brain level capacity is on a higher scale. Therefore these individuals are incorporating their 6th and 7th senses into their material conscious related capacity, which are also being accessed by the spiritual conscious related gemut processes<br />
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I find that the more mature patient human requires less manual labor but the more controntational hotheads require lots of manual labor to quench there thirst for trouble. :) It depends on many factors. <br />
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If you're not sweating, you aren't working hard enough! We don't use roundup so we spend a lot of time weeding. Such a mindless job... which allows us to free up our mind to reflect on the things we've learned.<br />
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--[[User:Sheila|Sheila]] 15:20, 26 August 2012 (BST)<br />
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== JimDeardorff said ... ==<br />
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Hi Ben,<br />
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The amount of translating you've done, within the blue links, and your neat organization of the Contact Reports is truly impressive. <br />
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In Statement 60 above, a better translation for Erdhoehlen than "caves" would be "burrows."<br />
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Thanks Jim, I've made the adjustment.<br />
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Interrogate all pets for possible plan to sicken humanity and take over. j/k :)....................no response GUILTY. BUT those droopy eyes are hypnotizing us and that stare of hope. <br />
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In various Contact Reports there are informations about health which are easy to be understood and could be tested in daily life. The informations give clues about the things earthly health experts should look at, in order to understand the health problems better. Quetzal's information about cat and dog as the carriers of influenza pathogen is an example of the clue that could save much time and resources of the experts in their effort to find the origin of a health problem. Although actually Quetzal's information was addressed to mister Billy and the core group members, it is also relevant to be thought of by the people in a larger scope, especially by health experts and pathologists.<br />
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I agree Alive, this health information should be spread to all doctors. A few weeks ago I was told by a local doctor and the well seasoned nurse that there are NO diseases transferable between animals and humans. What? Normally I would have argued with them but if they are that stupid, what can you do? I try to spread this information by word of mouth to prove to people their doctors don't know everything and they should be more skeptical about what their doctors tell them. At least the veterinarian claimed that there are diseases transferable. I'm very disappointed that vets aren't allowed to take human patients. :)<br />
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== Jamesm said ... ==<br />
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Thanks for the new translation Ben.<br />
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It has been 32 years after Semiase admitted that the Pleiarens "make wrong analyses in reference <br />
to the evaluation of the human being of Earth or his concerns" (Contact Report 130), and that they should "analyze the terrestrial humankind again in a new form" (Contact Report 132). In the course of time the Pleiarens had been improving their analitical methods and devices, which enable them to study Earth human life forms's behaviours in sharper images. It is safe to say that the Pleiarens today are not as naive as they were, and that their current assessments have become more accurate than they made in that difficult year of 1980. <br />
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You're welcome, James.<br />
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It's nice that the first 229 contacts are now finally available in English in almost full form, other than the sections that were omitted in the earlier contacts contained in the Message from the Pleiades series. This is sort of a momentous occasion for me. :-)<br />
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Congratulations Ben! And it's great to see(?) you back at it. You are doing an awesome job and a great service to the english speaking population.<br />
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Congratulations Ben! And it's great to see(?) you back at it. You are doing an awesome job and a great service to the english speaking population.<br />
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--[[User:Sheila|Sheila]] 15:56, 1 August 2012 (BST)<br />
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Thanks for the new translation Ben.<br />
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It has been 32 years after Semiase admitted that the Pleiarens "make wrong analyses in reference <br />
to the evaluation of the human being of Earth or his concerns" (Contact Report 130), and that they should "analyze the terrestrial humankind again in a new form" (Contact Report 132). In the course of time the Pleiarens had been improving their analitical methods and devices, which enable them to study Earth human life forms's behaviours in sharper images. It is safe to say that the Pleiarens today are not as naive as they were, and that their current assessments have become more accurate than they made in that difficult year of 1980. <br />
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You're welcome, James.<br />
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It's nice that the first 229 contacts are now finally available in English in almost full form, other than the sections that were omitted in the earlier contacts contained in the Message from the Pleiades series. This is sort of a momentous occasion for me. :-)<br />
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Congratulations Ben! And it's great to see(?) you back at it. You are doing an awesome job and a great service to the english speaking population.<br />
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--[[User:Sheila|Sheila]] 15:55, 1 August 2012 (BST)<br />
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== alexander awadzi said ... ==<br />
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I have read the living words of teaching from mr. Billy Meier. The teaching of Billy are not from this earth. They are spiritual teaching which norrish the mind and spirit. I thank mr. Billy so much for his effort and time to open the truth to mankind on earth. Thank you for more than a billion times.<br />
The teaching of Billy will be known by all human beings. <br />
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Praise be to Creation.<br />
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Where do these people come from claiming he's Jesus Christ? They must come from the stone age or further back. :) Just have a good laugh and move on, these aren't the droids we're looking for. <br />
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A while ago when I was studying things about this, somehow I thought that BM was the incarnation of Jmmanuel. I got confused and I think I told a couple people this and I truly regret it. I hope everyone gets to read this article because it has all the right information. I am sorry, I was confused and now I know it's better not to talk about it and examine the information more closely. I am really not that stupid, or maybe I am, I was more confused. I am still a huge Meier fan because I know the teachings are truth, but I won't be talking about any of it any time soon. I am sorry for the damage this caused. <br />
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A while ago when I was studying things about this, somehow I thought that BM was the incarnation of Jmmanuel. I got confused and I think I told a couple people this and I truly regret it. I hope everyone gets to read this article because it has all the right information. I am sorry, I was confused and now I know it's better not to talk about it and examine the information more closely. I am really not that stupid, or maybe I am, I was more confused. I am still a huge Meier fan because I know the teachings are truth, but I won't be talking about any of it any time soon. I am sorry for the damage this caused. <br />
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William youre definately not the only one to make mistakes! Its all part of evolution though so its fine/ok.<br />
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Wow this is beyond fabrication. I love how to deflect critisim you try to say every other religion is false. That Jesus never exsisted, & some character Billy Meier made up to sell some books is the real prophet. Likewise the idea that mohammad was the reincarnation of this so-called real jesus is totally bogus. Have you ever read any holy books? I've studied religion for yrs and your ideas are off the wall. Would the reincarnated self try to go to war with your past tribes? Seems highly unlikely. Also muslims think of all christians as infiedels. Not my idea of a glowing peaceful prophet. Again this site is just telling a huge amount of lies to move books and silly tapes. Highly shameful for Billy as our great prophet of the times.<br />
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== Sarah said ... ==<br />
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So wait, people actually believe that Billy claimed to be a reincarnation of Jesus? O_o I honestly can't see how one could make the comparison. Isnt the fictional Jesus just a distortion?<br />
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--[[User:Sarah|Sarah]] 16:50, 18 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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@truth-You need to read so mich more before saying such things. Dont worry though, all of the information I'm suggesting is all free. The only thing you need to spend is some time reading. Maybe you'll figure it out, maybe your not ready, who knows<br />
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Ok, if Billy was Jmmanuel in a past life, and Jesus was a made up distorted story based off of Jmmanuel, How is it that Billy was not Jesus? Can't we just say that Jesus was a false distorted character based off of Jmmanuel who Billy was in a past life? <br />
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Jesus is a delusionally invented and idolized cult-figure, who is supposedly also the son of god and god himself. Billy simply does not want to be associated with anything like this.<br />
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Thanks Sanjin for the reply. That is what I figured. I was just asking because I know people who feel that something similar to the Jesus story occurred so I provided them with the Jmmanuel alternative and wanted to make sure that I had not misunderstood something.<br />
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I also do not feel that it is right to answer "Was Billy Jesus in a past life?" with a simple no. I say this because people might be asking to try to find the truth behind the Jesus story and would be better to say that he was not Jesus but rather Jmmanuel who was falsely named Jesus and his teachings distored.<br />
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If one looks in the Old Testament there is one sentence that states Jmmanuel as the being the one and only true prophet at that time. But in the New Testament which I believe was influenced to a large degree by the evil Giza Intelligences to replace the Old Testament, but specially to replace Jmmanuel with the falsified non-existent personality of Jesus Christ for several very important reasons.<br />
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First of all by substituting a non-existent personality for Jmmanuel, the Christian religions now have to worship this fallacy imposter, thus negating everything the true prophet Jmmanuel has brought forward and all things connected to Jesus Christ are now voided because thoughts and prayers are energy related and directed to this non-existing idea is like a black hole which gobbles up this energy into nothing. Thus praying to Jesus Christ or even thinking about this ruse is uncreational in nature because it benefits no one but the clergy and church that enslave the spiritual evolution of its members who participate in such nonsense. Such behavior is parasitic and un-creational.<br />
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Another important goal of creating this fallacy is to make the so called “resurrection” of Jesus Christ from the dead into a living material being once again who actually transcends this material world directly into a god or creator of the universe, thus making it virtually impossible for any human being to evolve spiritually because this “evolution” idea is not only illogical but violates the basic principles of creational laws by declaring that now there is only one god and only through him (Jesus Christ) can mankind find salvation.<br />
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So in essence the creation of this Jesus Christ is to make “him” the god of creation a monopoly reserved exclusively for him only, therefore everyone else are to remain servitude and enslaved by this concept forever, what a ruse. All the Giza Intelligence were removed from Earth and banished on a prison planet millions of light years away by the Plejarens and are all dead awaiting their fate of being incarnated or not by the Arathat Athersata pure spiritual level.<br />
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So that leaves the clergy, church, Pope and other religious cronies which they constantly preaching fallacy and fear to the masses in order to remain in power. It is only the ignorant and those too lazy to think for themselves who fall victim to this nonsense.<br />
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It makes sense Hawaiian.<br />
What do you mean though that the Giza-Intelligence would be awaiting their fate of being incarnated or not by the Arathat Athersata? Is there any mention of such an ability in the material? I ask out of interest. <br />
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--[[User:Epicn2l|Kit Varela]] 07:54, 15 July 2012 (BST)<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Epicin21,<br />
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All 2100 or so Gizas who were arrested and shipped off to a prison planet many millions of light years distance physically passed away and await incarnation. There are other Contact Reports and direct questions and answers from FIGU members to Billy in regards to incarnation including questions on whether pure spiritual forms also incarnate, you need to do the research yourself to your satisfaction. The link below implies that the Arahat Athersata level is responsible for incarnation of spirit forms into material human beings. The case of Nokodemjion was speacial because his spirit form was already in the Arahat Athersata and needed further assistance from the Petale level (7th spiritual level) in order to incarnate back into a physical human being.<br />
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Nokodemjon incarnation process from pure spiritual Arahat Athersata to material human being<br />
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689. And thus the order and decree was passed, through the engagement of the Arahat Athersata level, that those who passed away in the course of time to a natural death should not be ordained a reincarnation, rather that their spirit forms had to stay as long in the realm of the other side until they, one day, through a new decree of Nokodemion, could again find an existence in human bodies.<br />
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697. I know that the terrestrial scientists and researchers are in error in this regard, as much as in many other things. <br />
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As he then entered the transitional level of the fluctuating material state at the age of 58,000,000,000 years, he created there, through spiritual potency, a further people, after which he seemingly spent precisely 2,000,000,000 years in the transitional level.<br />
Thereafter he remained for a further 4,000,000,000 years in that level, after which he shifted in a rapid manner and entered the Arahat Athersata level, where he remained during the next 10,000,000,000 years, before he determined, as a result of the degeneration of his begotten and created peoples, and in unanimous accord with the entire Arahat Athersata level, to change himself back into a material human life form, in order in this way to command a halt to his degenerated, criminal, usurping peoples and to bring them to reason.<br />
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== Markvd said ... ==<br />
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I am watching this show My Ghost Story and wondering what is going on here damnit, I thought everything is under perfect control, we have all kinds of wild spirits running around. I say bring in the army of dwarves to cleanse them out. :)<br />
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Hi Mark, from the contact notes, I would think most of that is caused by fluidal forces, teenagers seem to have a lot of it. And don't forget that story from Billy about the person who kept seeing the ghost in her home and it was traced back to the elderly lady who used to live in that house. Pretty awesome fluidal powers to be able to take naps and project her younger self into that house.<br />
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--[[User:Sheila|Sheila]] 15:26, 16 July 2012 (BST)<br />
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== Reginald said ... ==<br />
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The comments of Ptaah are a bit harsh are they not? History was my favourite subject at school. And I have been reading Eich von Däniken and Zacharia Sitchin. The first Von Däniken's are interesting mindblowing conceptions. At least they made people aware and think, that history might have been differently from what we have learned at school. So the more i browse the contactreports the more i get the impression Ptaah has turned into an older and frustrated man. Sorry to say. Nothing a nice vacation in holland could not cure.<br />
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== Lorita said ... ==<br />
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I find that a fair amount of the comments regarding humans/potentials, etc rather harsh but we were warned we might not like all we read/hear. This isn't a fairy tale. <br />
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--Lorita 05:27, 22 May 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Mark said ... ==<br />
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I presume they are referring to the V series on TV. :) I would rather be taken over by large dinosaurs, rather than disguised reptiles who pose as humans. j/k It's all about the money with these storytellers. One thing our dear planet Earth has is storytellers. If you want to hear the most untrue stories in the universe. Come one, come all beings of Dern or any other universe. I wouldn't be surprised if other beings from space trying to take over Earth, overall I would give our defense a rating of clumsical. We are improving though. <br />
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--Mark 20:19, 22 May 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Jay1010101 said ... ==<br />
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Reptilian do exist, the Annunaki story may be true, check out htis video proof of Johnathan Reed on youtube at: <br />
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKCq1ISd7zY&feature=related<br />
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--[[User:Jay1010101|Jay1010101]] 02:56, 14 July 2012 (BST)<br />
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== Zameen said ... ==<br />
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jay: nope<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Yeah Sheila, you're right about Zameen. His four letter word response says it all in a most efficient manner directly to the point that is quite emotional stimulating at the same time! All these books on fantasy based on fear really sells because only the ignorant which unfortunately comprises of the vast majority on this planet are influenced by it and buys into its agenda.<br />
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Ptaah agrees and is learning some new words from BEAM like "hacks", I just wonder what is the symbolic representation used in the 7th sense spiritual telepathy for such words in particular? <br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 03:44, 15 July 2012 (BST)<br />
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== Cat said ... ==<br />
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Jay - I first watched the Jonathan Reed videos years ago and they were impressive. I still don't know where I stand on this, in fact I'm sitting. On the fence. I do question how someone would or could go to this much effort to create a humanoid being that was indeed so lifelike, I think at one stage, it's eyes were moving. There's really no reason why it couldn't be true, we don't have a contact report translated that states anything to the contrary and Jonathan Reed has never been named by the Plejaran as one of the 'fakes'. (That I know of.) It's certainly an interesting few videos and others have put their reputations on the line to back him up so I'm willing to keep an open mind. ps...I wouldn't call that particular being a 'reptilian', it's simply android/humanoid type (no genitalia etc)<br />
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--[[User:Cat|Cat]] 08:19, 15 July 2012 (BST)<br />
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== Sheila said ... ==<br />
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I wouldn't paint everyone with a hack brush, Hawaiian. As a one time newbie, there were many things I was unsure of too - this being one of them. We can all look back at previous posts of ours and go what the heck were we thinking.<br />
I agree with you Cat, I too am on the fence. The android seemed to have used logical force when being attacked by the dog and may have disintegrated it into energy. Jonathan Reed's credentials seemed to have gotten flushed and that is always suspicious when someone is made into a persona non grata. The kicker was the scream this being made which oddly brought tears to my eyes. How does that happen unless empathy is universal?<br />
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== Cat said ... ==<br />
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Yes Sheila, I watched the video again last night and there are a couple of things that stand out to me, being that the Plejaran have stated this already; when Reed approached the being, he was violently ill, diahorrea etc, and the video camera not working within a certain proximity of the craft or being.I just don't see anyone putting together this much detail to try and convince us. I would think having an alien body on film was enough without the video evidence of coming across it, your dog being killed, a craft etc. Then the deaths of those who supported him...now that's when things become more interesting.<br />
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--[[User:Cat|Cat]] 19:30, 15 July 2012 (BST)<br />
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== Sheila said ... ==<br />
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Yes there is so much to this story. I watched that show Fact or Faked and they determined that the Reed video was fake. I rarely agree with any of their conclusions because the head of the group is former FBI. I'm sure he's nothing more than a disinformation agent and I can draw my own conclusions, thank you. But whatever happened there, I sure hope the little one got rescued and received medical attention and never fell into the wrong hands.<br />
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--[[User:Sheila|Sheila]] 15:21, 16 July 2012 (BST)<br />
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== Reginald said ... ==<br />
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The comments of Ptaah are a bit harsh are they not? History was my favourite subject at school. And I have been reading Eich von Däniken and Zacharia Sitchin. The first Von Däniken's are interesting mindblowing conceptions. At least they made people aware and think, that history might have been differently from what we have learned at school. So the more i browse the contactreports the more i get the impression Ptaah has turned into an older and frustrated man. Sorry to say. Nothing a nice vacation in holland could not cure.<br />
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--Reginald 14:56, 2 May 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Lorita said ... ==<br />
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I find that a fair amount of the comments regarding humans/potentials, etc rather harsh but we were warned we might not like all we read/hear. This isn't a fairy tale. <br />
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--Lorita 05:27, 22 May 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Mark said ... ==<br />
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I presume they are referring to the V series on TV. :) I would rather be taken over by large dinosaurs, rather than disguised reptiles who pose as humans. j/k It's all about the money with these storytellers. One thing our dear planet Earth has is storytellers. If you want to hear the most untrue stories in the universe. Come one, come all beings of Dern or any other universe. I wouldn't be surprised if other beings from space trying to take over Earth, overall I would give our defense a rating of clumsical. We are improving though. <br />
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--Mark 20:19, 22 May 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Jay1010101 said ... ==<br />
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Reptilian do exist, the Annunaki story may be true, check out htis video proof of Johnathan Reed on youtube at: <br />
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKCq1ISd7zY&feature=related<br />
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--[[User:Jay1010101|Jay1010101]] 02:56, 14 July 2012 (BST)<br />
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== Zameen said ... ==<br />
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jay: nope<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Yeah Sheila, you're right about Zameen. His four letter word response says it all in a most efficient manner directly to the point that is quite emotional stimulating at the same time! All these books on fantasy based on fear really sells because only the ignorant which unfortunately comprises of the vast majority on this planet are influenced by it and buys into its agenda.<br />
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Ptaah agrees and is learning some new words from BEAM like "hacks", I just wonder what is the symbolic representation used in the 7th sense spiritual telepathy for such words in particular? <br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 03:44, 15 July 2012 (BST)<br />
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== Cat said ... ==<br />
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Jay - I first watched the Jonathan Reed videos years ago and they were impressive. I still don't know where I stand on this, in fact I'm sitting. On the fence. I do question how someone would or could go to this much effort to create a humanoid being that was indeed so lifelike, I think at one stage, it's eyes were moving. There's really no reason why it couldn't be true, we don't have a contact report translated that states anything to the contrary and Jonathan Reed has never been named by the Plejaran as one of the 'fakes'. (That I know of.) It's certainly an interesting few videos and others have put their reputations on the line to back him up so I'm willing to keep an open mind. ps...I wouldn't call that particular being a 'reptilian', it's simply android/humanoid type (no genitalia etc)<br />
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--[[User:Cat|Cat]] 08:19, 15 July 2012 (BST)<br />
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== Sheila said ... ==<br />
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I wouldn't paint everyone with a hack brush, Hawaiian. As a one time newbie, there were many things I was unsure of too - this being one of them. We can all look back at previous posts of ours and go what the heck were we thinking.<br />
I agree with you Cat, I too am on the fence. The android seemed to have used logical force when being attacked by the dog and may have disintegrated it into energy. Jonathan Reed's credentials seemed to have gotten flushed and that is always suspicious when someone is made into a persona non grata. The kicker was the scream this being made which oddly brought tears to my eyes. How does that happen unless empathy is universal?<br />
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--[[User:Sheila|Sheila]] 17:36, 15 July 2012 (BST)<br />
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== Sweet6b9 said ... ==<br />
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I cannot translate the information but my family has a friend in Germany named Heinzbernd Padberg who has learned broken english and regularly contacts my parents and myself for holiday greetings and may be able to assist. Please contact me at sweet6b9@yahoo.com if you still require any assistance with this and I can contact him and see if he would be interested.<br />
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Sincerely,<br />
Kevin Gaylord<br />
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== Low&Key said ... ==<br />
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I am new age human.There is no temptation for me but food for my tempel.Everything informatiev i read of hear it feels like i told it because i understand wat needs to be understood but still i learn every moment more about the proceses of the universe.I have no one to share this knowlege with because is to complicated for the people around me.That´s why i contact you , if youre interest i would like to converse with you ?<br />
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== Sweet6b9 said ... ==<br />
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Low&Key - are you asking to talk to me or Billy?<br />
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== ajay said ... ==<br />
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If reptilians do not exist then tell me why Dr. johnathan Reed<br />
encounted this alien in the woods? This video is on youtube.com<br />
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgzY45odAO0<br />
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== Sheila said ... ==<br />
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Looks more like an android to me.<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Sounds like another case of dellusional asperations of those who precieve their dreams as some reality between themselves and some ET interaction presence.<br />
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He speaks of this ET "Freddie" as fearing earth humans because he considers them as low sub-culture beings of unpredictable behaviours. <br />
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Nothing constructive coming from this and the only assistance I would recommend is to take your medications and not spend too much time by yourself in a empty room where your mind is left to wander to dream up these fallacies. Creational laws and directives have already been properly addressed by BEAM and the Plejarens, why should some other ET, in this case "Freddie" be allowed to present any additional information on spiritual evolution or develpment to an insignificant person who is not a prophet with the spiritual incarnation of Nokodemjon, the oldest spirit form on Earth with direct connections to the pure spiritual realms of the first of seventh, the Arahat Athersata level?<br />
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This exercise does not make much sense at all other than to be aware of false teachings.<br />
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== Zameen said ... ==<br />
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I'll be here all week.<br />
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== Sheila said ... ==<br />
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That's good to know Zameen, lol.<br />
Aloha Hawaiian, remember those small little dwarf beings? I was watching a series yesterday about a guy who travels the world looking for oddities and he happened to find a shrunken body about 12 inches high. Since there was only one headhunter group in South America who could master this and apparently it is now a lost art (ick). I was wondering if you thought that maybe these shrunken bodies were in fact bodies of dwarfs and somehow captured while they were in material form? And therefore no shrinking involved.<br />
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--[[User:Sheila|Sheila]] 17:19, 15 July 2012 (BST)<br />
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<div>[[User:Jamesm|Jamesm]] 12:33, 9 August 2007 (BST) I think this page is an ideal template for all contact reports.<br />
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== Spiritual personality connections ==<br />
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[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 11:40, 1 January 2009 (UTC)BEAM has just query a most important aspect of spiritual development that addresses the Plejaren concept of creation laws that separate each secession of personalities as the spirit re-incarnates and the connection between family geneology in respect to the Nokodeim and Henok blood lines. It appears that BEAM has logically "discovered" (if there is a better description) of Quetzal, Semjase and Paath's recent elevation to the Srut knowledge level and towards the Srutin. All that surprises them, as these levels are a closely guarded secret for some reason kept from BEAM until he mentioned it?<br />
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This sequential process of accessing the memory banks appears to "preserve" an individualized free will in attempting to gain knowledge of others, basically their ancestors experience stored there. However, it appears that some sort of conflict occurring between BEAM and the Plejaren's quest to achieve their mission here and other planets where their blood lines have reincarnated. One can sense that BEAM was kept out of the "equation", therefore his "undertone" was picked up by Quetzal at once. Like anyone else seeking to re-established their roots, the Plejarens should also look into the other factors including non-Plejarens that have been "connected" in this whole episode of events spanning pass their current established knowledge.<br />
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BEAM represents not only the Nokodemin spirit, but also the manipulated humans and our "connection" to the Plejaren counterparts, the creator overlords and the whole slew of events before, after and now. According to creation law (FIGU Special bulletin 38) every particle is connected to each other throughout the universe(s) via the 6 and 7 senses, therefore each event also "contributes" to these connections between all parties whether negative or positive factors that were responsible for these events. Thus, however noble these Plejarens are in their quest to "obtain" the highest knowledge, they need to also look into the other factors as well, nature no matter what level one has obtained, still presents one with more challenges and options. (see discussions on Contact 251 for better examples that tie this in).<br />
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That is why it is imperative that BEAM select and train others to continue this mission, depending exclusively on the Nokodeim line of reincarnations may not be as effective as including the other factors with the proper experiences and "connections" to other "particles" of this and other universes. Maybe that's creation way of "interconnecting" all other "events" not just in a single universe? That is why Earth humans are so special, we represent many different experiences and are the "key" to the delimna facing all parties of interest.<br />
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In the last modified version 23:49, 31 December 2008, the following paragraph is repeated twice with a different German paragraph:<br />
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A spirit form always contains a much higher evolutionary stage than the consciousness and its personality. <br />
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'''German:'''<br />
Eine Geistform beinhaltet immer eine viel höhere Evolutionsstufe als das Bewusstsein und dessen Persönlichkeit.<br />
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And straight after the above.<br />
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'''English:'''<br />
A spirit form always contains a much higher evolutionary stage than the consciousness and its personality. <br />
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'''German:'''<br />
Das Bewusstsein ist immer den Umständen der Lebensform, deren Lebensbedingungen und ihrer Umwelt angepasst. <br />
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Interesting, thank you for your efforts.<br />
== Mark said ... ==<br />
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570,000,000,000 Suns in our Milky Way Galaxy is amazing. It's mindboggling because there are countless galaxies out there in our DERN universe. I found it quite funny how the comets were perceived or misrepresented as sent from the heavens or gods. Earth sure does have some good motion picture quality scripts as one of our many talents. :) Our planet has to be home of the most creative mind controlling bandits in the known universe.<br />
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--Mark 23:49, 14 July 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Randy Arena said ... ==<br />
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Very informative translation ... thank you.<br />
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--Randy Arena 04:09, 23 July 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Jay1010101 said ... ==<br />
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Note: Alex Collier(Andromedan Contactee) believes there are reptilians, so does Sheldan Nidle (of sirian contactee) and he knows the story of the Annunaki, PLEASE SEE BELOW FOR PROOF THEY EXIST:<br />
Note the encounter of Dr. johnathan Reed<br />
this reptilian alien in the woods? This video is on youtube.com<br />
<br />
?<br />
when you search for "johnathan reed"<br />
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgzY45odAO0<br />
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--[[User:Jay1010101|Jay1010101]] 02:50, 14 July 2012 (BST)<br />
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== Jamesm said ... ==<br />
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Jay where is the proof? Any material evidence? Witness testimony? Corroborations of any kind? I read Sheldon Nidle's book, "You are becoming a galactic human" and his "updates" and although he spun a nice tale, he has zero proof that I am aware of. Do you know of any, please?<br />
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--[[User:Jamesm|Jamesm]] 12:25, 14 July 2012 (BST)<br />
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== Jamesm said ... ==<br />
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Jay are you also aware of Michael Horns knowledge about Alex Collier (formerly known as Ralph Amagran)?<br />
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--[[User:Jamesm|Jamesm]] 12:26, 14 July 2012 (BST)<br />
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== Sheila said ... ==<br />
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I thought Nidle's book was called "You are becoming a paranoid human"?<br />
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--[[User:Sheila|Sheila]] 17:54, 14 July 2012 (BST)<br />
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== Jay1010101 said ... ==<br />
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Reptiltians do exist: check out<br />
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKCq1ISd7zY&feature=related<br />
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--[[User:Jay1010101|Jay1010101]] 02:59, 14 July 2012 (BST)<br />
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== Zameen said ... ==<br />
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jay: NOPE<br />
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--[[User:Zameen|Zameen]] 05:26, 14 July 2012 (BST)<br />
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== Markvd said ... ==<br />
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Jay I believe BEAM has had contact with an alien lady on a planet in our galaxy I think the planet was Deneb but that youtube video with the reptilian looks lifeless and a bit mannequinesque. I am sure if there were reptiles on Earth all our defense forces would inform all of humanity immediately to halt humanities progress :) j/k<br />
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--[[User:Markvd|Markvd]] 08:33, 14 July 2012 (BST)<br />
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== Sheila said ... ==<br />
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LOL at the consistency of Zameen's responses.<br />
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--[[User:Sheila|Sheila]] 17:52, 14 July 2012 (BST)<br />
</div></div>Sheilahttps://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/w/index.php?title=Talk:How_can_I_help%3F&diff=18784Talk:How can I help?2012-07-14T16:49:19Z<p>Sheila: Comment provided by Sheila - via ArticleComments extension</p>
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== Sweet6b9 said ... ==<br />
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I cannot translate the information but my family has a friend in Germany named Heinzbernd Padberg who has learned broken english and regularly contacts my parents and myself for holiday greetings and may be able to assist. Please contact me at sweet6b9@yahoo.com if you still require any assistance with this and I can contact him and see if he would be interested.<br />
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Sincerely,<br />
Kevin Gaylord<br />
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--[[User:Sweet6b9|Sweet6b9]] 20:11, 9 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Low&Key said ... ==<br />
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I am new age human.There is no temptation for me but food for my tempel.Everything informatiev i read of hear it feels like i told it because i understand wat needs to be understood but still i learn every moment more about the proceses of the universe.I have no one to share this knowlege with because is to complicated for the people around me.That´s why i contact you , if youre interest i would like to converse with you ?<br />
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--[[User:Low&amp;Key|Low&amp;Key]] 20:07, 7 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Sweet6b9 said ... ==<br />
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Low&Key - are you asking to talk to me or Billy?<br />
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--[[User:Sweet6b9|Sweet6b9]] 09:10, 3 May 2012 (BST)<br />
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== ajay said ... ==<br />
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If reptilians do not exist then tell me why Dr. johnathan Reed<br />
encounted this alien in the woods? This video is on youtube.com<br />
when you search for "johnathan reed"<br />
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgzY45odAO0<br />
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--[[User:Jay1010101|Jay1010101]] 02:45, 14 July 2012 (BST)<br />
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== Sheila said ... ==<br />
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Looks more like an android to me.<br />
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--[[User:Sheila|Sheila]] 17:49, 14 July 2012 (BST)<br />
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== alex_awadzi@hotmail.com said ... ==<br />
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I agree with what Ptaah says about music. I would only like to know which kind of a truly harmonic music are nowadays to be found. Because many old people who used to make harmonic music have passed away(death). The new youth do not have knowledge or understanding the meaning of harmonic music and what effect it has on human being of this earth. Harmonic music can influence positivly the proces of meditation and ect. I would like to ask Billy if Ptaah could give more information on which harmonic music is the best to be listen to. Peace, harmony and love be to all.<br />
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--alex_awadzi@hotmail.com 15:16, 11 July 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Neckel said ... ==<br />
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Salome Alex,<br />
<br />
I can only agree with your words.<br />
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In the contact notes they refer to classic (Bethoven, Nabucco, ect) music as harmonious and that there are also harmonious songs in various other music directions (techno, rock, pop, altrnative, trip hop, jazz and blues ect...). As far as i know, in general "hip-hop" (there are a few exceptions though), trash mainstream pop (this "lalala ooooh boy, kiss stuff") and "death/heavy metal" are not harmonious at all. As far as i kow from a friend, harmonious music is defined as a music where notes/tones are played in a sequence where they have to be close together and do not vary more than 1/2 tone from each other. <br />
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harmony<br />
<br />
There is still harmonious music produced, but it becomes more and more an exception: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VH5bL_XbO64&feature=related<br />
<br />
Peace and wisdom may also be with you.<br />
<br />
--[[User:Neckel|Neckel]] 16:10, 11 July 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Bigfoot said ... ==<br />
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Nature has the best musicians and the best music comes from Creation. I like the classic water rushing against boulders in a small mountain run-off stream. Crickets and frogs sound nice as do Magpies and Ravens. <br />
<br />
--[[User:Bigfoot|Bigfoot]] 00:07, 13 July 2010 (BST)<br />
== Mark said ... ==<br />
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Thanks for the info Bigfoot, I guess all those nature CD's are produced by the Pleiadians. Time to round up the producers for questioning. :) j/k I think we need a big stereo system that can amplify nature sounds with a built in subquakewoofer. Earth is saved once again. <br />
<br />
--[[User:Markvd|Markvd]] 00:22, 13 July 2010 (BST)<br />
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== geld-verdienen-werbung said ... ==<br />
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verdienen im internet<br />
hey schaut mal hier<br />
http://www.automatisch-geld-verdienen.com/<br />
<br />
--geld-verdienen-werbung 22:19, 22 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Sairo9 said ... ==<br />
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Dear Mr Billy,<br />
Q-1 Can u tell me when is the next big contact session between humans and light beings similar to the time when pyramids were built?<br />
Q-2 Can u tell me where Sri Sathya Sai Baba has taken a physical form presently after he left his humanly body in April 2011?<br />
Q-3 Whats the significance of the Nazca Lines?<br />
<br />
--[[User:Sairo9|Sairo9]] 19:21, 17 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Sheila said ... ==<br />
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After sending a few emails to the biological lab that was the first to decipher the genetic code of the swine flu, I asked if the flu was genetically engineered in a lab. Twice they told me it came from Mexico with no further explanation. I had asked if it was created in a lab and there was no response to that question which made me think that they were protecting either a patent or intellectual property. As it played out, it always seemed that the people who died from swine flu had already had their shot of Tamiflu. I followed the Tamiflu trail which lead to Rumsfeld. <br />
<br />
--[[User:Sheila|Sheila]] 16:45, 19 June 2012 (BST)<br />
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== Markvd said ... ==<br />
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What devious minds our Earth human currently employ in order to further business? I wonder how this business came about in the universe. It's brilliant if mature minds and partly humane are in control but with the robo fleet of mental business we are in for a long journey. I say disband all massive corporations from influencing decisions pertaining to humanity. It should be a separate entity for the less capable in worldly matters.<br />
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--[[User:Markvd|Markvd]] 21:17, 19 June 2012 (BST)<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Aloha Sheila...good to hear someone has the courage to "stir the pot" and make those responsible for abuses been seen under the light. Here is another article you and others may find interesting on how the ruse of biological threat (created by them, them profited) of Anthrax.<br />
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Well, BioPort, based in North Lansing, Michigan, is the only corporation in the United States with a license to make the Anthrax vaccine. Except that BioPort doesn't actually make the vaccine, BioPort simply bought the laboratory that does make the vaccine, Michigan Biologic Products Institute, from the State of Michigan in 1998.<br />
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Less than a month after it took over the business, BioPort acquired Michigan Biologic Products Institute's sole and exclusive customer for the Anthrax vaccine, the US Department of Defence, and an exclusive $29 million contract with the Department of Defence to "manufacture, test, bottle and store the anthrax vaccine." The Pentagon agreed to pay BioPort $4.70 per shot and each member of the armed forces, that's 2.4 million soldiers, sailors, airmen and Marines, is supposed to get six shots over an 18-month period. That’s a huge, guaranteed market for BioPort’s product. Indeed, according to former Central Intelligence Agency military analyst Patrick Eddington, the estimated $60 million worth of anthrax vaccine BioPort is expected to produce for the Defence Department over the next five years could just be the beginning. <br />
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The Pentagon has a $322 million, 10-year programme to develop at least three, and perhaps as many as a dozen additional biological warfare vaccines, making BioPort a huge profit."<br />
So now lets look at who owns and runs BioPort Corporation. Let's begin with Admiral William J. Crowe Jr. former Head of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff and a former US ambassador to Great Britain. It seems that back when President George H. W. Bush was setting up Osama Bin Laden as a "freedom fighter" (Afghanistan's "freedom fighters" were credited with shooting down more than 270 Soviet aircraft using American made Stinger missiles in the 1980's) the good Admiral and his associates on the Joint Chiefs of Staff were, according to some reports, selling American made weapons-grade Anthrax to Saddam Hussein in the hopes that he would use it against Iran. These days Admiral Crowe sits on the Board of Directors and owns 13% of BioPort Corp. <br />
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This article was written by: By Ian Gurney. <br />
Author of "The Cassandra Prophecy."<br />
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It is not surprising to figure out that former DoD official such as Rumsfield and his cronies former Navy admiral William Crowe who sends off military people to fight their wars all profit from death and destruction. Many veterans who today suffer from ill effects of forced vaccinations will be alarmed and angry once they find out how their top leaders have profited at their expense while serving their country under distinction and honor.<br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 21:47, 19 June 2012 (BST)<br />
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== Markvd said ... ==<br />
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These politicians can act as foolish as they want now but they will not escape there destiny in the future when DNA plays a role in there entire existence.:) I say fix the problem now or you kin will not be happy in the end. Your entire line will not be trusted for anything worth any value far in the future if you continue on your foolish childish games. <br />
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--[[User:Markvd|Markvd]] 22:59, 19 June 2012 (BST)<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Sounds like that TROLL came back to haunt this website again?<br />
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Markvd is so right, once people start to find out who is responsible for these unnecessary sufferings done by others for the sake of profit and greed, they will create a lynch crowd on the look out for revenge even from the military ranks which holds the meaning of self sacrifice as its most honored status being betrayed by the so called "leaders" who treat them like a piece of meat, to be consumed and dumped into a trash heap when they are of no use anymore.<br />
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There is a follow up article on another anthrax product which altered the DNA of these so called "repressed anthrax spores" that was supposed to reduce the time for complete vaccination from 18 month period to around 6 months. However this new vaccine was to be always contained in a controlled temperature environment not to vary more than 7 degrees or less and kept out of sunlight to prevent these so called repressed anthrax from mutation.<br />
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Seems like the primary goal was to shorten the vaccination period so more people could be forced to take this shot, thus increasing production means more profit into Admiral Crowe and his cronies pockets!<br />
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Many service men and women got sick and some are still suffering from its forced vaccination program, then you ask yourself, did they find any weapons of mass destruction in Iraq or was that another ruse to generate more profits for these war mongers?<br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 01:03, 20 June 2012 (BST)<br />
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== Markvd said ... ==<br />
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They won't lynch people because it will be ingeniously implemented. Far ahead of what is capable for humankind. In a professsional manner will these atrocities be revealed people usually forgive and forget if the perpetrators at least try to change all the wrong they have done. <br />
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--[[User:Markvd|Markvd]] 04:03, 20 June 2012 (BST)<br />
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== Cat said ... ==<br />
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AbeFinkelstein - when did they release you from the sanitorium? It was clearly a lifetime too soon but rest assured, much more of this lunatic ranting and you'll be back in there and the key will be tossed for good or on the other hand, there's a few planets out there that evil losers have been dispatched to. I can't remember it's name now, but it's in a galaxy far, far away so pack your bags, you're on the next flight.<br />
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--[[User:Cat|Cat]] 09:48, 20 June 2012 (BST)<br />
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== Jamesm said ... ==<br />
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Thanks for cleaning up the site, folks. I've been offline for a week due to moving to a new place.<br />
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--[[User:Jamesm|Jamesm]] 18:42, 25 June 2012 (BST)<br />
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== Sheila said ... ==<br />
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Aloha Hawaiian, interesting stuff. From one sh&t disturber to another, good job!<br />
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--[[User:Sheila|Sheila]] 16:29, 27 June 2012 (BST)<br />
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== Markvd said ... ==<br />
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Very informative video. I think that is they way to teach the masses including myself. Videos have nice production values and easy to read instructions. :)<br />
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--[[User:Markvd|Markvd]] 02:01, 4 June 2012 (BST)<br />
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== Markvd said ... ==<br />
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Can't await the 2012 edition. Nice videos accumulated. Thanks<br />
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--[[User:Markvd|Markvd]] 05:26, 7 June 2012 (BST)<br />
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== curious said ... ==<br />
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hi to all since i started reading billy's material i have noticed the things happening around the world as he said prior to the event.this is a good way to let people know that billy is speaking the truth as so many are in the dark. thanks for presenting the corroborations for those who do not see what is going on around them.<br />
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--[[User:Curious|Curious]] 14:44, 27 June 2012 (BST)<br />
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== curious said ... ==<br />
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hi to all since i started reading billy's material i have noticed the things happening around the world as he said prior to the event.this is a good way to let people know that billy is speaking the truth as so many are in the dark. thanks for presenting the corroborations for those who do not see what is going on around them.<br />
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--[[User:Curious|Curious]] 14:49, 27 June 2012 (BST)<br />
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== Sheila said ... ==<br />
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Hi Curious, I've noticed that too. Recently the UN came out with a list of all the illegal drugs sold around the world (mostly by the three letter organizations). But what was really surprising is when they mentioned the krokodile drug which Billy has warned us about in one of his most recent contact reports. Has the UN been reading Billy's contact reports?<br />
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--[[User:Sheila|Sheila]] 16:25, 27 June 2012 (BST)<br />
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== alex_awadzi@hotmail.com said ... ==<br />
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I agree with what Ptaah says about music. I would only like to know which kind of a truly harmonic music are nowadays to be found. Because many old people who used to make harmonic music have passed away(death). The new youth do not have knowledge or understanding the meaning of harmonic music and what effect it has on human being of this earth. Harmonic music can influence positivly the proces of meditation and ect. I would like to ask Billy if Ptaah could give more information on which harmonic music is the best to be listen to. Peace, harmony and love be to all.<br />
<br />
--alex_awadzi@hotmail.com 15:16, 11 July 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Neckel said ... ==<br />
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Salome Alex,<br />
<br />
I can only agree with your words.<br />
<br />
In the contact notes they refer to classic (Bethoven, Nabucco, ect) music as harmonious and that there are also harmonious songs in various other music directions (techno, rock, pop, altrnative, trip hop, jazz and blues ect...). As far as i know, in general "hip-hop" (there are a few exceptions though), trash mainstream pop (this "lalala ooooh boy, kiss stuff") and "death/heavy metal" are not harmonious at all. As far as i kow from a friend, harmonious music is defined as a music where notes/tones are played in a sequence where they have to be close together and do not vary more than 1/2 tone from each other. <br />
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harmony<br />
<br />
There is still harmonious music produced, but it becomes more and more an exception: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VH5bL_XbO64&feature=related<br />
<br />
Peace and wisdom may also be with you.<br />
<br />
--[[User:Neckel|Neckel]] 16:10, 11 July 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Bigfoot said ... ==<br />
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Nature has the best musicians and the best music comes from Creation. I like the classic water rushing against boulders in a small mountain run-off stream. Crickets and frogs sound nice as do Magpies and Ravens. <br />
<br />
--[[User:Bigfoot|Bigfoot]] 00:07, 13 July 2010 (BST)<br />
== Mark said ... ==<br />
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Thanks for the info Bigfoot, I guess all those nature CD's are produced by the Pleiadians. Time to round up the producers for questioning. :) j/k I think we need a big stereo system that can amplify nature sounds with a built in subquakewoofer. Earth is saved once again. <br />
<br />
--[[User:Markvd|Markvd]] 00:22, 13 July 2010 (BST)<br />
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== geld-verdienen-werbung said ... ==<br />
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verdienen im internet<br />
hey schaut mal hier<br />
http://www.automatisch-geld-verdienen.com/<br />
<br />
--geld-verdienen-werbung 22:19, 22 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Sairo9 said ... ==<br />
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Dear Mr Billy,<br />
Q-1 Can u tell me when is the next big contact session between humans and light beings similar to the time when pyramids were built?<br />
Q-2 Can u tell me where Sri Sathya Sai Baba has taken a physical form presently after he left his humanly body in April 2011?<br />
Q-3 Whats the significance of the Nazca Lines?<br />
<br />
--[[User:Sairo9|Sairo9]] 19:21, 17 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Sheila said ... ==<br />
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After sending a few emails to the biological lab that was the first to decipher the genetic code of the swine flu, I asked if the flu was genetically engineered in a lab. Twice they told me it came from Mexico with no further explanation. I had asked if it was created in a lab and there was no response to that question which made me think that they were protecting either a patent or intellectual property. As it played out, it always seemed that the people who died from swine flu had already had their shot of Tamiflu. I followed the Tamiflu trail which lead to Rumsfeld. <br />
<br />
--[[User:Sheila|Sheila]] 16:45, 19 June 2012 (BST)<br />
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== Sheila said ... ==<br />
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I wish the matter was just a little more detailed... I always suspected that orbs were rods, but seen from a different angle either straight on or from behind. Are different colour orbs based on what evolutionary level they are at? How about the huge bales? Why do some orbs look solid and others are transparent? Why are some bright and others not? It seems like they produce more of themselves, like an amoeba. It would be interesting to know how exactly these orbs react on our thoughts and feelings, other than wanting to find out more. I wonder if these are the clue to free energy?<br />
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--[[User:Sheila|Sheila]] 16:34, 19 June 2012 (BST)<br />
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== Markvd said ... ==<br />
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A lot of people in my family dye their hair, I just think it's a waste of time. I guess it's an image consciousness eveolution of hair development. :) I once shaved as close to my head as possible just so I wouldn't have to spend hours trying to perfect hair style, but the cold weather has somehow forced me to grow my hair once again, I find a little white hairs here and there but I just think of them as advanced receptors that are near there end dangling on my head. I think that's why I notice that people that dye there hair tend to be very aggressive. I don't know if it's the cancer or pain they might feel but there are just so many unnatural products in our civilization. Everyone wants to strike it rich rather than preserving all of mankind and reach a higher evolution of thought where all can succeed. <br />
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== Cat said ... ==<br />
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hmmm although I don't dye my blonde hair, it is extremely slow growing and wonder whether this inhibits my ability to sense or anything. Now if only I had the answer to make it grow faster!!<br />
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== Markvd said ... ==<br />
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If a time machine is developed your hair will amaze you how far it's grown in let's say 5 years without trimming. :) Directed towards Cat. <br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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First I want to congratulate Vibka Wallder for her innovative literary contribution to enlighten Earth human life forms on the topic of hair.<br />
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Second I also want to congratulate Vibka Wallder for her profound courage to highlight the topic of pubic hair removal using mister Billy's informations about this.<br />
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Third I want to give some opinions concerning the pubic hair:<br />
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- The most important reason of pubic hair removal is aesthetical reason. This is the reason that has been moving prostitutes and porn actresses to shave their pubic hair, and it will be the reason for many millenia to come.<br />
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- Pubic hair removal is not an islamic custom. I have intermingled with many moslem women. Only afew of them have shaven twats.<br />
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- A simple hightech underwear provides much better protection than even then most complex pubic hair system. Theoritically anyone who has that kind of underwear does not need his or her pubic hair anymore.<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Alive,<br />
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Based on your extensive experience with unshaven Moslem twats, I would assume going down at the "Y" for some appeitzer would require some degree of safety measures, like wearing safety glasses to prevent eye injury from her pubic hair! Enjoy your meal my friend<br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 03:13, 1 April 2012 (BST)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Thank you for your practical suggestion, Barbarian. I hope you would get much better experiences than I got with moslem beauties.<br />
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I was wondering if it is advisable to shave or remove the hair in the armpit. There are a good amount of women that do it, but most men don't. Anyone know what the benefits or negatives would be, besides the aesthetic differences?<br />
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BTW, good article Vibka!<br />
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== RemRobinson said ... ==<br />
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Sanjin,<br />
From the middle of paragraph 3 - "But also the body’s own reasons are important factors, for example, the axilla’s hair is very important for the regulation of sweat in that area and should never be removed."<br />
The 'axilla' is another name for the armpit.<br />
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Ah, didn't know that. Thanks!<br />
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== Markvd said ... ==<br />
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I wonder why humans have sweat and robots don't. I sense an advantage in that regard. At least we do not possess snake like hair like let's say Medusa. :)<br />
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Back in the late 60's and through the seventies people seemed more easy going and sang better songs and played better music...hmmmm I wonder...I read the German phrases also to help learn German. I found the word "Krebs" which translates to cancer, but I knew a friend named Krebs when we were kids and the other kids teased him by twisting his name to crabs, or Dale has crabs and the Krebs lived out of town in the country and they had there last name painted on their hip roof barn for all to see from the road, and so the kids called it the crab farm. <br />
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== John Bank said ... ==<br />
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Is there anything mentioned about hair loss? Its really a terrible thing.<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Which hair?<br />
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== John Bank said ... ==<br />
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head hair, as in male pattern baldness<br />
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Guess not =(<br />
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== Sheila said ... ==<br />
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Hi John, I'm pretty sure baldness has everything to do with heredity. Look at your dad, did he go bald prematurely? I wouldn't worry about it, there are a lot of nice looking guys with bald heads. The hair doesn't make the person, it's what's inside that counts. <br />
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All other opinions asside, I have seen the proof that these contacts are real as the US Government has extensive records related to the fact that these contacts are real. I do not have these records but I am attesting to this fact for all to see. They have and are having contact with the Baffath and are working with them as evidenced by the Black Triangle ships that are being seen world wide. For Video Evidence search Triangle UFO or TR-3B online or on YouTube.<br />
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== Gerswin2002 said ... ==<br />
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That metal is Aluminum and not Thulium. The EDS spectrum that Vogel shows corresponds to Aluminum with traces of Silver (see reference below). Thulium has a strong band at 1.462 KeV. This is very close to the Aluminum strong band at 1.486 KeV and without the "secondary bands" as Vogel himself noted. <br />
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I have experience with EDS X-Ray in Scanning Electron Microscopy; it is easy to confuse elements and, since there are no secondary bands, the metal is the very common element Aluminum and not the rare Thulium.<br />
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I'm surprise that in almost 30 years nobody noticed the mistake Vogel made in his analysis.<br />
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Reference: The "Thulium" Spectrum is shown at time mark 8:44 of the video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4koTWaohZxc&feature=related . Again, that is Aluminum with traces of Silver and not Thulium.<br />
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== Sheila said ... ==<br />
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Well Gerswin2002, I guess that's your opinion. Vogel did note the secondary band (which was there) but somehow you claim it wasn't? Any nut job can come on here and make all sorts of claims. Come on, tell us your real name and qualifications. Sorry but having "experience" does not make you an expert. I think I'll go with the guy who had numerous patents based on information gleaned from investigation. How many patents do you have?<br />
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Sweet6b9, those black triangle craft are none other than your very own terrestrial black ops. They have been around for at least 30 years - no aliens involved. A former military person informed me he had seen ufo craft in a hangar as far back as the '50s. They were sworn to secrecy. He also said that it was common that U.S. military personelle were brainwashed after coming out of the bush to make sure they kept their mouths shut.<br />
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== Gerswin2002 said ... ==<br />
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Sweet: <br />
Aluminum and Thulium do have very close strong band (1.486 and 1.462 KeV respectively), you can verify that in the links below:<br />
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http://www.radiochemistry.org/periodictable/<br />
http://www.edax.com/literature/periodic.aspx<br />
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Vogel himself says the following (9:16 time mark of the video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4koTWaohZxc&feature=related ):<br />
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"Now, the remarkable thing that we noticed was that, yes we got this band here [points to the 1.462KeV] this is the only one that matched in the spectral analysis in the computer, but the secondary bands that are connected with it [points to the bands at 7.17 KeV and 6.34 KeV] were not present" And his spectrum reflects exactly what he says.<br />
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You can check what an EDS spectrum for Thulium looks like in http://www.cannonmicroprobe.com/XRay_%20Spectra.htm scroll down to find it. It looks nothing to what he shows.<br />
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The metal he shows is clearly Aluminum and not Thulium. The EDS computers, even today, get the element id wrong many times. Human intervention is required all the time for proper EDS element identification.<br />
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== Gerswin2002 said ... ==<br />
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"You can check what an EDS spectrum for Thulium looks like in http://www.cannonmicroprobe.com/XRay_%20Spectra.htm scroll down to find it. It looks nothing to what he shows." <br />
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Except for one band at presumably at 1.462KeV which I say is 1.486KeV.<br />
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Only solid, clear, and unambiguous evidence matters and not the person's credentials. Vogel DOES NOT have such evidence for Thulium. <br />
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By the way, if you have more EDS spectra presented by Vogel, I'd love to review them. Please post the links to them.<br />
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== Gerswin2002 said ... ==<br />
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Sheila,<br />
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As a matter of fact, please direct me to any posted EDS X-Ray Spectrum data collected by Vogel either in print or in video. I'm extremely interested in checking his data. I have been looking on the internet for the spectra he captured and I cannot find it.<br />
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I'm more interested in his data than in his opinions.<br />
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== Sheila said ... ==<br />
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Well Gerswin, the specimen contained "very pure silver and very pure aluminum, potassium, calcium, copper, argon, bromine, chlorine, iron, sulfer and silicon" and "an astonishing mixture of almost all of the elements in the periodic table". So based on that information I'm sure you'll find them all. I don't have a link. So what is your purpose in all of this? And how much experience do you have with cold fusion?<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Aloha Sheila,<br />
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I was going to spend some time doing research on Thulium, but decided you probably have a better answer to Gerswin2002 inquires which has just been demonstrated in the vast complexity of discrete elements that represents almost the entire periodic table including evidence micro-machining and indentations.<br />
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Even though if Gerswin2002 can prove that Thulium was actually Aluminum, does that ONE discrepancy invalidate the other elements that obviously are discrete in their unique characteristics bonded together Not but any heating processing (which would have destroyed their discreteness), BUT bonded by cold fusion, which is still NOT POSSIBLE by Earthly scientists!<br />
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Instead of waiting 30 plus years trying to discredit Vogel’s findings on this ONE element called Thulium, why hasn’t Gerswin2002 look into the other materials as well? Sometimes people are so obsessed on one belief or disbelief they forget to notice other things in life that keeps on evolving while they remain stagnated on this one issue in the vain hope of achieving the perfect solution. Nothing is perfect, otherwise there is no reason for creation to evolve further and that also applies to beliefs or dis beliefs.<br />
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So if Gerswin2002 wants to continue on his endeavors to prove Vogel’s findings on Thulium wrong and ignore the other more important materials that Billy and the Plejarens have brought forth, that is his prerogative and we wish him well in his efforts. I wouldn’t waste my time on something that is definitely not my problem since I’ve got better and more interesting things to do.<br />
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One thing that intrigues me about this metal specimen is what reason or reasons why it represents the entire periodic table of elements and being the hull of their spaceships which is metal, yet at the same time crystal, it must have much deeper meaning and/or purpose other than just being the outside material for their spaceships?<br />
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Hawaiian and Sheila,<br />
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As a matter of fact, I also analysed the other EDS X-Ray spectrum where he claims that the sample contains many elements. This spectrum is found in http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4koTWaohZxc&feature=related at the time mark of 7:12. <br />
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Here he Vogel identifies the elements Silicon (1.740KeV), Sulfur (2.307KeV) , Iron (0.706 KeV, 6.403 KeV) and then he goes on to say that the there are many other very small elements bands and that he did not attempt to identify them. Si, S, and Fe may very well be there, but the rest of the spectrum are not element bands, but what in EDS Spectroscopy is known as Continuum Bremsstrahlung Emission. This radiation, though part of the EDS X-Ray Emission, does not contain useful information about the elements in the sample. See the references below for more info:<br />
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bremsstrahlung<br />
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/quantum/xrayc.html <br />
http://www.scribd.com/doc/31759852/7-EDS-WDS-X-Ray-Elemental-Micro-Analysis-Electron-Microscopy-and-Diffraction<br />
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So, in the mentioned EDS Spectrum, Vogel really only identifies three elements and he incorrectly interprets the continuum Bremsstrahlung emission with a whole bunch of element bands together.<br />
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This is the only EDS Spectrum produced by Vogel that I'm aware of where he tries to prove that there are many elements in the sample. If you have more evidence in the form of EDS Spectra (where he shows all the elements Sheila mentioned), I would love to see it. <br />
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== Sheila said ... ==<br />
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I agree with your comments Hawaiian and had much the same feelings as you. Gerswin is not the first and will not be the last. He refuses to state his full name and position and whether he has any patents or whether he has any experience in cold fusion (LOL, I was looking forward to his reply on that but again he never answered that question). <br />
Gerswin, why don't you try this. Get a hold of the American government and find out if you can test the metal of the craft which crashed at Roswell. Then you could test it out first hand. Let us know your results.<br />
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OK, I hereby retract all my arguments on the grounds that I do not have as many patents as Marcel Vogel nor do I have his credentials. I did not find a remove option in my account, how can I delete them?<br />
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Now, I assume we all agree that it is OK for anyone to look at the evidence. I really need more references either in print or video where Vogel's data is presented. I already have the videos Contact and The Beamship. Are there more videos of Marcel Vogel showing his EDS X-Ray spectra?<br />
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How about Vogel's notebook, the one he shows in the video? does anyobody know where this notebook is? are there digital scans of it somewhere? The Metal Alloy section of this webpage seems to concentrate more on listing Vogel's patents than on the actual evidence he presented on the subject. By the way, none of the links to his IBM patents work.<br />
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== Sheila said ... ==<br />
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Again Gerswin - for what purpose? Are you just another debunker looking for his 15 minutes of fame? Well good luck with that.<br />
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Sheila. Thanks anyway, I think I got all the information that I need. I'm writing an article for The Skeptical Inquirer. When it is published, you can finally see my credentials.<br />
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For now, feel free to check my complete analysis on our website:<br />
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http://www.iigwest.com/investigations/meier/metal_analysis_deconstruction.html<br />
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By the way, if you Google "Billy Meier Metal Samples" or "Marcel Vogel Metal Samples", our website shows first.<br />
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== Sheila said ... ==<br />
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Well that settles it then, you really are a nobody. Oh well, hope you enjoyed your 15 minutes and have a nice life.<br />
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whatever you say Sheila. But I'm first on google search. <br />
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== Gerswin2002 said ... ==<br />
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...and you are a nobody too.<br />
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Gerswin, I never claimed to be "someone" like you did. And quite frankly no one really cares about your damn ego. Funny on that stupid post of yours you claim that there are metal samples on earth that have all the elements, but you fail to provide any proof of their existence. LOL<br />
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== Sheila said ... ==<br />
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Here's a little background on what's going on here:<br />
http://theyflyblog.com/breaking-iig-skeptics-retract-claims-against-meier-case%E2%80%A6again/12/10/2011<br />
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Thanks for letting me know about this communication from Jack Sarlo. I will get that straighten out immediately.<br />
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I totally forgot to email Jack Sarlo back letting him know about the update.<br />
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"you claim that there are metal samples on earth that have all the elements"<br />
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That's not what I said, this is exactly what I say: "It is quite common to find samples in the natural world that contain a wide variety of elements in them." and I present proof of it with an EDS Scan I took myself of a plain uninteresting rock. I detected Si, Al, Fe, O, Mg, Ca, and C. If I bleach the rock, I add Cl to it; if I rub toothpaste on it, I add Flourine and Nitrogen. All those will show in the EDS Scan and I can make the sample look as though all those elements are "bonded together while preserving their own identity".<br />
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In the BEAMSHIP, Vogel shows evidence of Fe, S, Si, Ag, and Al. There is no Tm, as he claims. He incorrectly misinterpreted the Bremsstrahlung emission and I show exactly why. So far, my earthly rock has more elements than Vogel's samples. <br />
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If there is an EDS X-Ray scan taken by him where he shows all the elements of the periodic table, it is NOT in The Beamship or in Contact. I will keep looking.<br />
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== Gerswin2002 said ... ==<br />
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From your own turf:<br />
http://theyflyblog.com/breaking-iig-skeptics-retract-claims-against-meier-case%E2%80%A6again/12/10/2011/untitled-1-copy-2<br />
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This is one of your own documents people. There is it: "Thulium, remarkably, showed only the primary band spike for that element--[in bold] no secondary bands existed".<br />
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That element was Aluminum, which has no secondary bands, and NOT Thulium. Thank you Michael Horn, I was worried that I wasn't listening right to the audio in the video.<br />
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== Sheila said ... ==<br />
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Well that's a sure sign of schizophrenia, arguing with yourself. I think you should get yourself checked out Gerswin. You have again failed to prove the existence any metal sample which contain ALL the elements. Sorry but your rock only has 7 elements or perhaps 9, if you fudge it (which you seem to be real good at). But nice try though.<br />
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Well, I'm done with the analysis and reproduced Vogel's results in full with earthly samples. Now, to write my article for the Skeptical Inquirer. <br />
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It was never my intention to convince anyone here to how much you all were fooled by Meier and Vogel. Quite the contrary, the more people believe them today, the more likely my article is to be published on SI.<br />
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So, please, don't stop believing. <br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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In your own quote “Well, I'm done with the analysis and reproduced Vogel's results in full with earthly samples.”<br />
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So are you excluding the fact that Vogel has video evidence of rectangular micro machining with 90-degree angles (which never occurs in nature) surrounded by semi-circle indentations to indicate that some man-made apparatus was induced on this metal specimen?<br />
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It is obvious that you are not a scientist nor subject your “discipline” to rigid standards by discarding evidence to “suit” your own personal agenda. If Skeptical Inquirer does print your article, then it only shows how unreliable their reputations are.<br />
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At least we can say that Charles Darwin was a bonafide scientists, although he did “massage” his theory of evolution of man coming from the apes by filing down some bone fragments to make it appear there was a corresponding link between them, at least he did not throw away or exclude any other evidence as in your case. <br />
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And lastly, I’m sure you are doing this for nothing, so how much and who is paying your salary or what compensation will Skeptical Inquirer or they cohorts give you in return for your “scientific investigation”?<br />
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Vogel got and asked for nothing in doing this investigation strictly out of scientific curiosity, I’m sure he knew of the consequences of making his findings public but went ahead as any scientist would in making discoveries.<br />
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Hi Hawaiian,<br />
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" Vogel has video evidence of rectangular micro machining with 90-degree angles" <br />
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Here is the SEM micrograph shown by Vogel in The Beamship:<br />
http://www.iigwest.com/investigations/meier/Metal-Samples-Deconstruction-version2_files/image042.jpg<br />
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This is at 7:59 of the video <br />
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4koTWaohZxc&feature=related<br />
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Is this the one you are talking about? this is the only picture taken with the scanning electron microscope that he shows (all others were taken with an optical microscope), or is it? I hope you are familiar with The Beamship. <br />
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If this is not the SEM pic you talk about, please point to me on this or any other video that shows the SEM picture where what you say is shown.<br />
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BTW, I would be lucky if any of the SI editors even looks at my article.<br />
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== Gerswin2002 said ... ==<br />
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Hawaiian,<br />
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If there is more evidence that I'm not including, absolutely let me know. I'd definitively love to see more SEM pictures and EDS X-Ray spectra from this sample taken by Vogel or anyone else.<br />
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Ivan A<br />
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== Gerswin2002 said ... ==<br />
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You can now see my credentials.<br />
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http://www.openminds.tv/deconstruction-of-billy-meier%E2%80%99s-metal-samples-865/<br />
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== Sheila said ... ==<br />
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Hey Gerswin, I think you're confusing us with people who actually give a crap about who you are or who you think you are. I am so unimpressed I didn't even check your link.<br />
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Hello Mr. Alvarado, aka Gerswin,<br />
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I checked your link to the article you posted on OpenMinds. Your argument is decent, when viewed topically and pseudo-critically. That being said, it also mimics the style of Meier's 'photo deconstruction' by fellow IIG member Derek Bartholomaus. When something looks similar to something else, that doesn't automatically mean that one has license to say that they are the same thing.<br />
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Also, even if the viewpoint about those metal samples is correct, which you have attempted to demonstrate many times here, that is only one aspect of the evidence in the case, and doesn't have any momentum when faced with the reality that there is so much more verifiable evidence, ALL things considered.<br />
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...It's like getting a big, bad, brand new Ford F-650 SuperTruck and driving it out onto some train tracks to prove that you can stop a slow-moving train with your impressive truck. It's just not going to happen, especially when you can't see/don't want to acknowledge the rest of the train, which curves around a bend and procedes to go back 10 miles further, and all of the train cars are full of either lead or coal. The truck is impressive, sure, but it's not going to stop the train, even if it's only going 2 mph. It might take 800 years to get to the train station, but it will get there, F-650 SuperTruck or not.<br />
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== Gerswin2002 said ... ==<br />
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Hi RemR,<br />
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Thanks for reading my article. Unfortunately, the pictures that I used are direct screen shots from Beamship:The Metal. Do you know where I can get better quality pictures of Vogel's spectra and SEMs pictures? I have been looking all over the web for them and they are not in Wendelle Steven's Preliminary Report.<br />
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Thanks again for reading the article.<br />
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== Sweet6b9 said ... ==<br />
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Sheila - I am aware that the TR-3B Astra Locust is a Military device but those are not the only Black Triangle ships as mentioned in the Contact Notes. The Baffath also use this configuration. This is not a coincidence. I was not Military, I was not brainwashed. But Yes, you are correct, The TR-3B is terestrial but it also uses Quasicrystals and that technology was given to them. They can change the color to match the color of the sky with these Quasicrystals to try to hide.<br />
Peace in Wisdom<br />
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Sheila - I am not trying to argue with you. I fully support the truth of the Billy Meier contacts. Unlike others, I have seen actual proof of them and know that they were real. Also I have had success with the Meditation Exercise that was a Spiritualy Enlightening and Life Changing process and I am now in direct opposition to the Occult forces that are in control of the Financial Industries and Secret Intelligence Agencies of the world. They realy don't like me because I am slowly waking people up here in the US. I just wanted you to know that we are on the same side. I do not mean to sound argumentative in my comments. Please forgive this if It comes across that way in text.<br />
Saalome - Peace in Wisdom<br />
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"Were real" ...and are real, since the contacts are still occurring and will continue until Billy passes away from this life.<br />
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Hi Kevin, the last Bafath triangle ship was destroyed by Menara in 1978 after a brief pursuit. Yeah Menara, you go girl! So if you have evidence that there is still contact at this current time, I would be highly suspect of where that information came from. Just because it came from your US government, does not mean it's true. Could just be part of the disinformation campaign coming from the US that we've all become accustomed to. So I hope after reading the contact notes you have a better understanding of the facts? Yes keep on trying to wake up your American people, but don't use disinformation that is being spewed on a constant basis by those that are used as disinformation agents. You know, like all your CIA agents and other blowhards. Your damn CIA agents are actually the terrorists. In Columbia they felt they were above the law or were too cheap to pay the lady. Now you have a CIA double agent who is the new underwear bomber. Makes me think the last underwear bomber was also a CIA agent. Wouldn't put it past them. As with all gov't agencies, if they are at risk of losing staff because it's not that busy, they start making up stuff to do, to make themselves look busy, and make themselves look like they are doing something to stop it. Be careful that you do not give up your constitutional rights for the illusion of security.<br />
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</div></div>Sheilahttps://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/w/index.php?title=Talk:FIGU_Special_Bulletin_20&diff=18458Talk:FIGU Special Bulletin 202012-04-27T14:58:03Z<p>Sheila: Comment provided by Sheila - via ArticleComments extension</p>
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Considering how close MIB persons to mister Billy, I guess MIB organization has somekind of quarter in Switzerland to run surveillance on mister Billy, in cooperation with Swiss intelligence office, funded by old-NAZI, neo-NAZI, postmodernist-NAZI, and contemporary-NAZI, which have accounts in Swiss money laundry banks. I read somewhere a letter from an American intelligence officer for Wendelle Stevens which said that mister Billy is observed by several intelligence offices, including Swiss's. I still do not get it why NAZI freaks and Swiss financial gangsters hate mister Billy, since mister Billy never stole their coins and exposed their financial frauds. <br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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I want to say something about Kalliope. This is what happened to the jealous wives and sometimes also happened to the jealous girlfriends. After they became ex-wives and ex-girlfriends they will deny many facts which are parts of their own experiences. In extreme cases they even denied that they have ever met the men they used to love. I wish in the far future there will be no more troubled wive and troubled girlfriend in DERN universe, so the husbands and boyfriends could develop their Egos peacefully. But I always know that most of my wishes were not based on reality and did not take historical facts into consideration. <br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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I would agree so, reminds me one early morning about 4 AM waiting for the sun to be up so we could start trolling for the big yellow tin tuna after a night of successful ocean bottoming fishing. We caught several hundred pounds of red snappers and were just enjoying the peaceful calm ocean about 8-10 miles from land when the CB radio cracked alive with traffic.<br />
[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 23:19, 5 March 2011 (UTC) (correction "yellow fin tuna" not "tin"?) we caught one that day about 115 pounds, medium size<br />
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On the other end was some bitchy wife telling her husband to run some errands when he got back on land, she could easily told him to call her when he arrived, but no everyone on that channel could hear that poor guy getting hen pecked! Maybe that’s the reason why he chose to go fishing to get some peace of mind.<br />
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Makes one wonder why that black flag with the symbolic ball and chain icon and warning “Wife’s Onboard” is so similar to a pirate’s black flag with the skull and bones?<br />
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== Jamesm said ... ==<br />
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I wonder what the genuine dinosaur photos look like in the 2001 edition of Pleiadian/Plejaren Contact Reports Block No. 1? They must be quite fascinating photos but are they clear?<br />
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--[[User:Jamesm|Jamesm]] 02:05, 6 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Markvd said ... ==<br />
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MIB utilized hypnosis to universal remote control the mind of people of Earth. Those folks are dedicated to try and get Billy and fail 21 times. I wonder how they discovered there hideout, they probably utilized some of Asket's 007 gear and thwarted there schemes. I wonder if they could create some type of mental barrier so people are not so easily controlled by malevolent forces. :)<br />
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== Sheila said ... ==<br />
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Hi Hawaiian, people deserve what they are willing to put up with. If your friend couldn't stick up for himself, that's his problem. Believe me, there are just as many bitchy husbands as there are bitchy wives. <br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Hi Sheila,<br />
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Yeah you're right, I was thinking of cutting in on the radio and telling her off, but it was not my boat so had to respect the captain on that account. I did not know that guy was, some other fisherman who should have done what you said...<br />
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It's too bad us Earth humans are not like the Plejarens in this respect, they don't have the mother-in-law interference problem that are so apparent here.<br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 23:31, 6 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Benjamin Stevens said ... ==<br />
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Hi James,<br />
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I added the photos from the book for you to see. My digital camera was in its highest resolution auto focus mode when I snapped the shots. Thus, if some of the pictures look fuzzy, that's how fuzzy they actually appear in the book.<br />
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== Jamesm said ... ==<br />
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Thanks Ben! Fascinating! Strange how the humans are photographed exactly side-on. Some would say it was taken from a book or something but theyre still plausibly real photos of planet Neber.<br />
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== Markvd said ... ==<br />
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Our world is full of strategic baffoons that want to learn more utilizing treacherous means such as setups and falsifications. Pay it no mind as they tend to do this to either destroy all hope in BEAM's work or to learn more by accusation, thus propelling BEAM to prove himself over time and again. You can only teach blind corrupted spirits if you teach them humbly how to accept such creative wonders as planets that have dinosaurs. They will use every tilt and means to defy truth at times only to deny all of humanity freedom. Thus enslaving humanity themselves due to there false accusations. :)<br />
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== Cat said ... ==<br />
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Is the top picture (with the pyramids) supposed to contain dinosaurs or not? If so, it's incredible that man could live among dinosaurs - long enough to build those structures! Then again, more advanced planets may build their pyramids much quicker with sound and levitation than it took our people thousands of years ago.<br />
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"people deserve what they are willing to put up with. If your friend couldn't stick up for himself, that's his problem. Believe me, there are just as many bitchy husbands as there are bitchy wives. "<br />
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SHEILA, YOU MAGGOT PSYCHOPATH BITCH, greetings neighbourhood psychopath.<br />
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So what you are saying applies for trivial shit, like "bitchy husbands" and "bitchy wives", essentially your genital-genital fetishes. So you know how to comment when it comes to getting your genitals scratched - a trivial petty issue.<br />
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But when it comes to much bigger things, things 100000000x more important or less trivial, like YOU FUCKING MAGGOT BITCH AREN'T ALLOWED TO REPRODUCE PERIOD AND EXPOSE YOUR KIDS TO THINGS WAY WORSE THAN A "BITCHY HUSBAND/WIFE" LIKE POISONOUS OXYGEN DEPLETED AIR, OVERPOPALATION OR CRAZY PEOPLE WITH GUNS THAT USE THEM, WHEN SOMEONE TELLS YOU THAT YOU FUCKING PYSCHOPATH DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT TO EXPOSE YOUR KIDS TO ANY SORT OF PROBLEMS PERIOD, YOU say things like "you sound very much like a child who can't get their way". <br />
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So maggot psychopath 2 faced self contradicting weasel bitch, when it comes to genital contact issues, people better stand up for themselves. When I ask you to justify reproducing in pollution, overpopulation, and besides all sorts or predators/parasites, issues 100000000000x worse, not to mention Creation's garbage absolute dependency laws, than standing up for yourself results in a "you sound very much like a child who can't get their way".<br />
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So Shiela you self contradicting animal, you'd better stand up for yourself when it comes to genital issues, but you aren't allowed to stand up for yourself being hatched/reproduced/bonded in imperfect conditions, ***DANGEROUS CONDITIONS***; NO!! THAN YOU HAVE TO TAKE IT!!!! <br />
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MAGGOT BITCH: YOU ARE SICK IN THE MIND AND LACK REASONING POWER.<br />
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And you wonder why the elites are in plans to hunt you down like harmful game? You are ALL (99.9999% of you) sick in the mind yet your completely oblivious to it. Whats even more pathetic and disturbing, is that you that are supposedly close to a prophet that should have way more godly reasoning power act like 2 faced weasel psychopaths. At least if it was the averge idiot it would be 1 thing, but you that think yourselves enlightened and righteous blatantly ignore simple logic. Your in luck psychopath animals: in the apocalypse, waking up from your zombie unrighteous charging bondage coma is the name of the game. You will wake up willingly or forcefuly, but wake up you will.<br />
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Alive, trolling newb: "so the husbands and boyfriends could develop their Egos peacefully"<br />
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There's a problem with this statement psychotic animal. You work out your kinks and issues, on your own time. You do the best you can on your own time when its only your skin on the line. When other people are involved your best isn't good enough. If you are not capable of handling simple logic than you shouldn't reproduce. You see, non retards are not interested in being summoned here and eduring your psychotic fetishes as you slowly learn to stop being a psychopath, you do that by yourself trolling newb. Thnx.<br />
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YOU, all off you, SHIELA YOU MAGGOT UNJUST BITCH, DON'T SEEM TO UNDERSTAND THAT YOU DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT TO EXPOSE PEOPLE VIA REPRODUCTING TO ANY SORT OF PROBLEM WHATSOEVER IN THE FIRST PLACE YOU FLAGRANT PSYCOPATHS unjust weasel newbs.<br />
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Psychopath bondage robots, you will learn, ohh will you learn a lesson on morals in the coming time.<br />
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PS. Sheila if you want we can practice "standing up for yourself" together. <br />
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The example I had in mind was that we would schedule a meeting together in person, and I would instantly upon seeing you skip the formalities, wip out my massive dick you'd like to deepthroat and try to poke your face. You can practice standing up to my brazeness as I repeatedly try to poke you with my dick in your mouth and then simply in any place. After you've stood up to yourself a few times and I keep asking "can i insert now yet", "can i insert now yet"... "can i insert now yet", you will allow me to insert you, and we can bond since you stood up foryourself and your vaginal issues.<br />
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THE EXAMPLE I DEFINATELY DIDN'T HAVE IN MIND IS that I would make you aware that your body is poisoned with all sorts of toxins and than more righteous people than you are suffering now because you had the gall to expose them to parasites/predtars, to overpopulation and to the constant knowledge that at any time they are walking down the street, they can be shot in the back by Jamal and Tyrone because well McDonald's meals aren't free. This example I definately did not have in mind, would definately not be something worth standing up for, because its just petty shit.<br />
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PPS. (_))================D18:52, 26 April 2012 (BST)~~<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Christian,<br />
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Your comment is not only very christian, but also successfully represent the best things of Romanian cultural heritage that you are always proud of. You should develop your comment into a comprehensive treatise and publish it in the form of booklet. The whole world is waiting for your enlightenment.<br />
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Preliminary Postscript<br />
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I need some materials to help me understanding the Romanian culture better. Please send me a tiny part of your gigantic collection of Romanian bitches photographs. Thank you for your time and noble attention.<br />
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== Sheila said ... ==<br />
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Don't worry about me, delusional Troll Era, genital issues are the least of my worries. But you obviously have genital issues that you should get looked after. You seem rather obsessed. What I expose my kids to is truth, ethics and standing up for oneself. I hope you’re happy because I exposed your rant to one of my kids and the response was what a fucked up piece of crap you are. What can I say, kids are always right <br />
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--[[User:Sheila|Sheila]] 15:58, 27 April 2012 (BST)<br />
</div></div>Sheilahttps://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/w/index.php?title=Talk:Asket_and_Nera_Photos&diff=18388Talk:Asket and Nera Photos2012-04-06T14:25:36Z<p>Sheila: Comment provided by Sheila - via ArticleComments extension</p>
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== david said ... ==<br />
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i wondered why he would take a photo of tv screen when he had so much other undeniable evidence, this seems like an unlikely but rational explanation as it would be seem very out of character 2 forge the photo, ive read alot of know it all debunkers on youtube and beyond with there silly ''rational'' explanation, the miniture trees etc! i get angry at people like that but i guess they are on there on path. i just dont know why they go to the bother if they rnt interested!<br />
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== zameen said ... ==<br />
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People go to such lengths to cover up and or try to falsify the truth in order to keep profit streams alive. A disgusting practice but a reality nonetheless<br />
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Why can't Ptaah and or somebody who has the know how, intercept in someway with the m.i.b. or whomever, so the people who are trying to help Billy with his real unedited pics. and other unique proofs and have them circulate safely around the world as, Billy, his associates, on ground and above and I would like.. I guess I inadvertently lied to a few of my friends about some of the photos. I hope one day soon we ,(all of us around the world) can get together without any uncomfortable thoughts/feelings of deceit or any prejudged feelings of hate, jealously and anger towards next man 'and or entity.' Peace/Wisdom/Love/Truth. To the Plejaren Fed. and their wonderful associates. <br />
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== Mark said ... ==<br />
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I agree TCFelon but if they had to capture everybody who falsifies Billy's work and those that lack sincerity and genuineness it would probably take all eternity. They will probably only stop the most heinous pretenders. :) The photos are rather interesting because they say that Asket and Nera are from another universe thus they don't mind there photos being here. Due to the creativity and level of lowness some beings can reach they altered it so they are dancers on a talk show. That calls for a Billy uppercut to the nose. j/k<br />
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== tom said ... ==<br />
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Próby zamachów na Zycie Billego świadczą o niczym innym tylko o tym, że mówi on prawdę. To samo tyczy sie zafalszowywania jego zdjęć. <br />
Ci którzy znają temat szaraków i replitalian wiedzą kto to są "ludzie" w czerni... im najmniej zależy na poznaniu przez ludzi prawdy, prawdy, która przecież wyzwala, wyzwala z więzów zniewolenia..<br />
Meier od samego początku, jak zapoznałem się z jego osobą, wyzwala we mnie zaufanie... Jest zupełnie niepodobnym do tych co gonią za władzą i towarzyszącą jej ułudą pieniądza. Zna wiele praw duchowych i sam żyje wedle nich, więc mało prawdopodobne jest to, że próbowałby robić jakiekolwiek fałszerstwa, a tym bardziej, jak niektóre źródła jemu zarzucają, w celu zdobycia sławy lub majątku.<br />
Bardziej mają powody ku temu ci, którzy obawiają się zaistnienia tych praw w ludzkich sercach i umysłach, bo to rujnuje ich starania o zniewolenie gatunku ludzkiego.<br />
Więcej niczego chyba nie trzeba tu dodawać. Przynajmniej ode mnie to wszystko.<br />
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tom ist from Poland ;) <br />
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BEAM is awesome, thank you ! controlledfollymaker@gmail.com<br />
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== Matt C. said ... ==<br />
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This guy is a Fraud. His website is down, and he's far from credible. This is the person who would says that the aliens sent the blueprints for their (trashcan lid looking) UFO's to the wrong people who ended up making them into trash can lids... seriously?<br />
David doesn't know the difference between There and Their, so his opinion is out. <br />
Is it harder to cover up the "truth" or to fall into the cross hairs of a conman?<br />
I'm going with Occam's Razor on this one. This solution is the simplest, obvious, one; this man is a fraud. <br />
This post will probably be deleted. Just saying...<br />
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== Neckel said ... ==<br />
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no your comment won't get deleted.......... haha it is always interesting to see people who come with information from second or even third hand and make judgments about others without having a clue of the person itself...... this is present in almost everyones life and i bet some judge you also in the same way. I bet you come after me when i do a "spelling" error like David did...... if one has nothing else to offer then one goes after the small and unimportant things, right ;)). If you find sth. with a higher ethic and a higher sense of moral then we can talk again. (Do not come with religions, most of them preach love and make war.) I wish you good luck in your search for the truth.<br />
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Salome<br />
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== DRN said ... ==<br />
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Couple things I don't understand. These are not in any certain order. <br />
1. You sell these photos. So Wouldn't any copy predating 1984 be of the original photo? And if so, how similar to the forgery are they?<br />
2. How did you find out Mr. S was working for the MIB and when? <br />
3. If Mr. S disappeared one day without a trace, how did his organization learn of his death?<br />
4. If Billy was told in 1984 these were forgeries, but yet forgot due to amnesia sustained in 1982, how was he able to recollect the origin of his nickname and the first and last name of the woman who gave it to her during an interview in 1982? Was it selected amnesia or partial?<br />
5. If you have a photo of Mr. S and factual evidence he worked for MIB, why not release that info? seems it would clear some up some of the misconceptions.<br />
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In question 3 when i say "his organization" I mean billy's. <br />
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== Mark said ... ==<br />
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If I understood correctly MIB is not Will Smith or Tommy Lee Jones OR from our planet. They are from the Sirian region from an alternate time space bred to cause headaches on Earth. If this info is false however there is only one solution to ponder. Is Billy really Billy or is hea fake Billy? In that case arrest Billy, Asket, Nera, we have there photos and Quetzal, Ptaah, Semjase and send them to the prison planet for questioning. No one is exempt from breaking the rules and escaping universal security. :)<br />
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There was a force of renegade Sirians known unofficially as the "men in black," and they were captured in a sting operation by Sirian security personnel in 2006, while operating illegal devices within an ancient Lyran complex upon the Martian surface known as "Cydonia."<br />
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The Earthly counterparts of the MIBs are real and were set up in the late 1940s to create fear in the minds and hearts of members of the public, military UFO witnesses, as well as the establishment (Forrestal for example) who may seek to reveal the truth about UFOs visiting this planet...which the Truman administration decided to clamp down upon...<br />
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Asket, Nera and Billy having their photos taken together sounds very recreational, but was actually intended to serve a highly useful purpose in furnishing objective evidence that "aliens" are actual relatives of earth humans and not "bug-eyed monsters," as depicted by the media, with some deliberation I might add...<br />
Indeed, there are far more points of commonality that such photos would provide, especially considering the beauty of the women selected and the fact that they were relatives from the DAL universe...(Asket.)<br />
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Unfortunately, this benign intent was muddied by the cruel MIBs, using those doubles from the US show...rendering the pix null and void..<br />
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A shame Billy did not realise sooner that the photographer (with a little persuading) had conned him with fakes.. <br />
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Drekx, you twist truth with false tales.<br />
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"while operating illegal devices within an ancient Lyran complex upon the Martian surface known as "Cydonia.""<br />
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^ you made that up, it is not part of FIGU material, Cydonia doesn't exist.<br />
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== Drekx Omega said ... ==<br />
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MarksmanR,<br />
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Cydonia is a well known region mapped by Earth astronomers and astro-cartographers and named by them; "cydonia." So your ignorant claims of "false tales," are falsehoods in themselves and I don't like your tone...<br />
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First of all, FIGU material is not a new religion that demands blind obedience from it's "followers."<br />
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Second, the Plejaren do not always expect you to follow everything in the reports, as if it were holy rit.<br />
You are supposed to supplement their data with your own, when possible. So if mention is made of X, you should appreciate it's correlation to Y.<br />
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Thirdly, the contact reports do mention the very "sting operation" I mentioned, that ocurred at the Cydonia region complex of monuments upon the Martian surface...<br />
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I'll attach the contact report by Ptaah for your perusal and education....<br />
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http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/The_Men_in_Black,_Mars_and_Meteors<br />
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--Drekx Omega 20:51, 23 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Drekx Omega said ... ==<br />
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TCFelon said:<br />
"Why can't Ptaah and or somebody who has the know how, intercept in someway with the m.i.b. or whomever, so the people who are trying to help Billy with his real unedited pics"<br />
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Drekx response:<br />
The Sirians did capture their own renagade MIBs in 2006, ending a dangerous operation against the Plejaren programme with Meier...<br />
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So contrary to popular belief, the Sirians are well known allies of the Plejaren, even if this is not mentioned much in the contact notes, for whatever reason...<br />
The rare exceptions being contact reports 311 and 471...grateful to them for that coverage, so thanks to Billy and Ptaah.<br />
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Now with reference to the Earth human MIBs...they are operatives for the American Military-industrial complex of corporations...<br />
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Under the laws of human freewill and non interference, neither the Sirians nor Plejaren were able to prevent their mischief, at the time of the Nera/Asket photo fix..<br />
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However, with rising human consciousness and full Sirian mandate, that right to protect this planet's people with fairness, is increasingly placing pressure on the evil doers who run the NSA, MIBs, etc, etc...<br />
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Maybe if Meier were allowed to try this again, although the Plejaren would not want to risk his life, or that of his family...<br />
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It really is dependent on a change in the way this planet is secretly governed, so politics and economics require to be addressed..<br />
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Incidentally, there are no ET rulers running the human elites, no "reptiles," etc...just bad human beings running banks, governments, corporations and security..<br />
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== Ashegheaty said ... ==<br />
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how can we see the real pictures .<br />
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== Markvd said ... ==<br />
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Ashegheaty, Theyfly.com has some nice pictures.Don't worry about photoshopping the pictues Asket AND Nera according to reports are in the DAL universe and cannot be affected by our Earth degeneracies. :)<br />
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== Ashegheaty said ... ==<br />
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i meant real pictures of asket , i searched the entire internet and couldnt find any real pictures of here , can any one help .<br />
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--[[User:Ashegheaty|Ashegheaty]] 01:52, 5 September 2010 (BST)<br />
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Ashegheaty, I think only Billy knows which one is real since he met her face-to-face. But with this in mind it could be the one on the left below: [[File:The real asket.png]]<br />
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== Ashegheaty said ... ==<br />
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thanks jamesm , i guess those are the long ear lobs that she has . so the timmers have longer earlobs just like the pleiadians . or maybe this is semjase .are you sure this is asket the lady from trillions of light years away , the twin universe of ours .?<br />
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--[[User:Ashegheaty|Ashegheaty]] 04:54, 9 September 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Ashegheaty said ... ==<br />
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another question :the pleiadians can time travel so they can travel to the future so much that they can see when our universe has became an absolute absolutum but they say they cant go beyond the seventh great time .so thats only 15 thousand trillion years from now and still a long way for us to become an absolutum , whats there limitation .and the other thing is they know whats gonna happen to humanity in the next 100 , 200 and 1000 years .and if we are going to destroy our self<br />
they know . but they cant interfere in our evolution . <br />
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--[[User:Ashegheaty|Ashegheaty]] 05:02, 9 September 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Markvd said ... ==<br />
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You can tell through the eyes. It is best to meet them in person because looks can sometimes be manipulated. If you were to meet someone and see natural eye movement relating to certain topics and how they react you will know if they are genuine or fake.:)<br />
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== Sweet6b9 said ... ==<br />
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The truth is beautiful. The Truth is that Billy should be given a Hero Status for enduring all he has in order to bring this information to the world. I am trying to spread the word of all that has happened and give poeple hope as well as to bring the other truth of Roswell NM. Bob Lasar, Edgar Fouche, Phil Schneider, Gary Mckinnon, Norwegian Politician, and Billy Meier and the Pleiadian Message.. Saalome.<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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It's so easy to determine who is Asket by using your 6th sense of intuition. With many of BEAM's materials, such "hidden" connections are to be discovered by your inner-self, devoid of ego or assumptions that many restrict themselves unfortunately.<br />
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== Markvd said ... ==<br />
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I agree 110% with Hawaiian.............or maybe not.:)<br />
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== Sweet6b9 said ... ==<br />
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I agree, the fact that such effort went into forgery of the Photo's of Asket and Nera are more proof that the contacts are & were real. I have personaly seen evidence that the US Government is in search for Plejaren (The good ones) and that they are working with the Baffath sect of Plejaren. It is a sickening truth to me that I live in a country that would sell their own people for technology but it is the truth. They have gone so far as to work with other Dark Ones and combine technologies and use them to try to control the masses. To date this has been a success, however I and a few others have come forward to provide proof that we are being implanted with control devices that actualy prevent us from meditating and push negative thoughts on us as well. I share this info through my website on YouTube when asked, just goto my channel, sweet6b9. Peace & Wisdom Billy Meier. You are a blessing to the Human Race.<br />
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--[[User:Sweet6b9|Sweet6b9]] 22:55, 16 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== CriticalThinker said ... ==<br />
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What an utterly preposterous and lame excuse!<br />
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Meier has been caught red-handed faking these and the dinosaur photos.<br />
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Do you people have no ability to think critically?<br />
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== Sanjin said ... ==<br />
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Hi CriticalThinker.<br />
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I've read all of your comments and my thinking has told me that you most likely don't even know what critical thinking means. If you do, your posts are not showing that at all. The word "critical" in the context of critical thinking does not mean negative or disapproving or denigrating thinking, which is what the majority of your posts are based on. You should start representing your nickname a little better by educating yourself on what critical thinking actually means by studying this page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_thinking<br />
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== Sweet6b9 said ... ==<br />
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I agree with Sanjin, it has already been made clear in the contact notes that the photo's were faked and returned to Billy and that at a later date that Quetzl destroyed them all due to the numerous forgeries. In fact they also mention how it was proven that the forgery of Asket & Nera was not taken from a TV Screen as they tried to claim, that upon closer inspection you could not see the 3 color pixilation that would have appeared if it had been taken from a TV Set. CriticalThinker sounds like a Disinformation Agent, why would someone who feels this is untrue even bother to create an account or leave messages? They wouldn't! Peace & Wisdom<br />
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Can anyone tell me if the galactic federation/ashtar command/andromeda council are real or disinfo?<br />
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Criticalthinker hahahahahahaha thats the funniest name that is filled with your hypocrisy you are a disinfo jackwagon and dont even know it....who brainwashed you? You must be from the U.S.<br />
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== Sheila said ... ==<br />
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To Critical Thinker, aka daisycutter. The pterodactyl photos are not the same. I tried to point that out to you but you banned me from your youtube site as do all the tards who don't want any views which are aren't in agreement with their own views. There are about 10 differences between the pictures. I guess you don't have an eye for detail.<br />
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--[[User:Sheila|Sheila]] 15:25, 6 April 2012 (BST)<br />
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== Reginald said ... ==<br />
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They can travel through time and still not save these scripts? Or copy them at least. Or beam the script and the man aboard!<br />
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--Reginald 17:03, 1 June 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Mark said ... ==<br />
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I remember reading one time that some things must be approved by the High Council, and I don't know if they approved attaining the scripts, but this report is not up to date so who knows what lies in the depths of planet earth and all it's treasures of knowledge. Don't go searching for that script now Reginald and become a rockstar or anything. :)<br />
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--Mark 20:11, 1 June 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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To Reginald,<br />
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Yes, the Plejarens could have just done what you suggested, but that never happened, so Billy had to get the revised version from the Petale level. An extra effort after experiencing a breakdown caused by unreasonable demands by the Plejaren themselves.<br />
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On more than a few occasions, the Plejarens have displayed thoughtless "logic" adhering to their non-interference directives, that has caused more problems for Earth humans to "resolve" had they not logically think the "solution" out before remaining on the sidelines, case in point;<br />
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1 - As in this case of Rashid, the Plejaren also irresponsibly demanded too much from Billy which also killed him as a result.<br />
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2 - Did not intervene when the Sirian commandos began to "erase" all human-made structures on Mars after they arrested the Men in Black on Mars. In Contact Note 251, they mentioned back then, that Earth humans will soon discover the ancient ruins on Mars that will bring into question the religious dogmas. But now it has been erased, makes it more difficult to prove otherwise, thus makes Billy's mission more difficult as well.<br />
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3 - Did not intervene during the Tunguska event when a spacecraft with 4387 ET's through navigation error, brought them to Russian and could not leave because of technical difficulties. They created an atomic bomb and destroyed themselves, thus they are now condemned to the re-incarnation process here on Earth, when the Plejarens could have provided another option, but did not, because they are blinded by their own quest for evolution.<br />
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Here was a genuine opportunity to resolve a host of problems for both these ET's and Earth humans, who common problems traced back to religions and those that promoted it. Their home worlds were destroyed when their ancestors took the insane religious beliefs from Earth back there 1000 years ago.<br />
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Those that created these religious insanity were none other than the Giza Intelligences based under the pyramids. Instead of allowing such an opportunity go to waste, these ET's could have served a most useful endeavor and counter-act the evil Giza Intelligences, thus preventing WW1 and WW2 and also permitting their leaders back home to reconsider? <br />
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Sometimes I wonder how "logical" these Plejarens are, when they can't even see what's under their feet? Yes the foundation they stand on, created by the most honorable BEING/Being himself Nokodemjon who co-created the very ancestors of the Plejaren, Creator Overlords and others. It is this foundation of logical, humane intervention that supercedes any directives which enables one to evolve pass these self-imposed restrictions that inhibits both parties of this equation.<br />
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== Mark said ... ==<br />
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Hawaiian everyone can't do the Hula dance correctly at first but even higher and more knowledgeable beings can't make perfect decisions every time. Wars can be averted if money hungry people and those that wish to dominate don't reach the highest position so easily. I mean once you become a top official it's like taking candy from a baby, there should be an enormous amount of obstacles before anything is approved. Governments are set up so in a couple of years ANYONE can make it to the top and impose there will upon there people. If they had tougher requirements in leadership such as a very high education attainment, years of good humanitarian service and a certain age before becoming a rule creator things would be much better. It would also help if before approvign anything they discuss the possible good and bad outcomes thus they don't get surprised when chaos breaks out because they were too quick on the trigger. I also remember reading that the Plejarens cannot interfere with events within our jurisdiction unless of a possible destructive nature to the cosmos. They have kindly sent 7 prophets our way or the universe has and we turned them away with the profit power greedy seeking leaders. We are the only ones to blame for our problems. <br />
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--Mark 20:39, 1 June 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Bigfoot said ... ==<br />
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I agree with Mark because the Plejaren are only Human and not some perfect god.Everybody can learn from their mistakes so they can correct these mistakes to the good.I feel very good that the Plejuran help us at all.What would it be like if there was only bad Aliens?<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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In 1995 the Plejarens have officially withdrawn from Earthly missions, expect for the occasional visits and telepathic contacts with BEAM. So as I see it, we are again left to fend for ourselves, one question that I still ponder, are some of the evil 144,228 former ring leaders the "Sons and Daughters of Heavens", those responsible for the terrible religious dogmas on Earth were later accepted by the Plejaren in the past.<br />
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Thus, is it logical to assume that some of these Plejarens have a self interest in themselves, more so than the concern of these manipulated/degenerated Earth humans, since they have "fulfilled" their part through BEAM by the Creational materials he has written and now has left, contented with their "mission accomplished" endeavor?<br />
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Based on the past and current practices/attitudes of the Plejaren, I'm not sure if I would whole hearty accept them 100 percent genuine and compassionate, for self preservation, avoidance to open dialogue towards addressing their counterparts and steadfastly adhering to their "directives" often appears counter-productive and often creates more problems at hand.<br />
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Granted, I will credit them for the assistance given to both BEAM and Earthly matters, but they still have much to learn even if it means the destruction of Earth along with people like ourselves under the worst imposed conditions, trying in earnest to adhere to Creational methods, in my books is nothing less than abandonment! <br />
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However, as Billy once mentioned to Quetzal, "one day the Plejaren will be humbled and respect those that they feed with a big spoon". <br />
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--Hawaiian 19:42, 6 June 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Mark said ... ==<br />
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Hawaiian I usually agree but it's like entering into every country and imposing our rules and time and everytime. A problem which is still going on today.:) If we can't figure out to help ourselves, how can we become any better. If they solve all our problems and fix every mistake we make, how can we learn? I am sure that they had there fair share of trouble makers as well like Ashtar Sheran who was a highly knowledgeable one that somehow chose a different path. They are by no means perfect, remember the caks ship being discontinued. I would call most of what they say as genuine because it is a universal matter of knowledge they are passing along not an egotistical self centered ideal. Would you want to speak to beings that have a LONG way to go in terms of mental development and don't use all there senses correctly. It's like talking to a wall. One day things will get better if everyone can jointly make decisions rather than pointing fingers all the time. <br />
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--Mark 22:50, 6 June 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Mark said ... ==<br />
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Even more imperfections is there inability to have contact with dogs and cats at close proximity. <br />
Flashlights which can blind them.<br />
Bicycles and there monstrous road grating and balancing act dangers.<br />
500 plus cake ship atmosphere deterioration feature. OOPS said that one already. <br />
Updated Contact reports due to approval from councils high above them. <br />
Pictures destroyed due to overexcited human reactions and possible black mail by earth humans of degenerate thinking capabilities. <br />
Feel free to add a list of more my fellow contact report readers. <br />
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--Mark 23:33, 6 June 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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This exercise was to point out the imperfections of these so called "advanced ET's", not point fingers, although it has a certain logical value when seriously analyzed under the Cause and Effect principle for those without the necessary experience in endeavoring however compassionate resolutions they may be utilizing. <br />
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On more than a few occasions, had the Plejaren or others analyzed the particular situations and elicit inputs from the very ones affected, then the outcome would have a more positive impact. There are allot of events going on within this most complex environment, both material and fine matters that one day we and others will discover as logical and humane. That is why such a complex interconnected issues that spans time/space of various encounters require a composite consensus approach to include the inputs from these so called degenerates, since some are directly connected to former ET re-incarnated spirits.<br />
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Maybe it will be another ET race or BEING not the Plejaren, with of course, Earth human inputs that will finally bring about the reversal of degenerative measures that will bridge the enormous gap that now separates our common link(s)?<br />
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We are more interconnected than what meets the eye, but that full potential(s) have not been addressed and when one understands their valuable place holder in this equation, along with others on the "other side" of this equation, then one will "find" the appropriate measures to finally balance the "Equational Potentials" between the negative and positive factors since Nokodemjon brought order in the DERN universe.<br />
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The "key" is to acknowledge and act positively on your particular attributes in this most complex set of evolutionary circumstances regardless of ones current level of evolution. When all entities react positively, then the BEING will be unified between the material and fine energies that currently separate them.<br />
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== Mark said ... ==<br />
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The Plejaren are not perfect, so they cannot know every single space dwelling race out there. They are developing like we are, thus we can't rely on them for everything, we should be so kind to say thanks for the assistance. They can in no way know every ET's intention out there. If we implemented better measures to counter rash decision making then things can get better by our own hand rather than us having to hope the Plejaren elicit thoughts into every leader to do the right thing. <br />
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--Mark 16:51, 7 June 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Bigfoot said ... ==<br />
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Because the Plejaren are close friends with BEAM it is more than reasonable to think that the Plejaren show wisdom and knowledge which is simply excused by us Earth Human degenerates.(Wisdom x knowledge = Love).It is unreasonable to expect any human at any level of evolution to sacrifice themselves. <br />
The best anybody can do is to be responsible for themselves first and to help others secondly.We should only compete with good deeds.These ideas evolve humans to be spiritual and thus independent from the urge to be dependent on others.The body is really a vessel or dwelling for the spirit and the conscience block. Food is the fuel and material that maintains the flesh and blood while the electromagnetic energies power the body and the conscience and the fluidal Energies and much more.We are today capable of reversing the gene that degenerates our lives it only requires masses of people to awake and see the truth in order for cause and effect to take place for the good.<br />
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== Nebojsa said ... ==<br />
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Greek Orthodox-Catholic Church? Such a church does not exist. The two are separate and opposed (since the 10th century AD).The Talmud has nothing in common with either of the above mentioned churches, it is Jewish. And Rashid is an Arabic/Islamic name. Such errors raise serious doubts about the authenticity of the text and compromise Mr. Meier.<br />
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== Zameen said ... ==<br />
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-nebojas I implore you to read much more and with specific regard the contact notes. Therein you will find answers that seemed like they were standing up and waving a giant flag as if to say "Right here!! right here!! These are the answers!"<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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The revised version of the Talmud transmitted to Billy came from the Petale realm, the highest spiritual level before becoming the Absolutum. It is NOT any religious dogma, nor belongs to any religion, certainly not Jewish who god they worship is Jehova who WAS a JHFH (king of falsehood, malice) an evil material man who is not even at the half-physical/spiritual level of the High Council and not even close to the 1st level of the Arahat Athersata in which the Petale is much higher being at the 7th pure spiritual level.<br />
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So logical speaking, why would the Petale give instructions to Billy for a Jewish people whose god is opposite of what creational teaching is about? Don't make sense at all..<br />
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Just my opinion, if the events stated are true and that the Plejaren leader Ptaah for not just Earth but two other planets was responsible for these miscues (Tunguska, Mars) then maybe he should gracefully retire and let Quetzal take his place since he is already at the JHWH level and also a strut degree as well.<br />
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Besides was it not Quetzal's inititive in conducting that android experiement to validate that the Plejaren's demmand on Billy at the SSSC was too extreme and the reason why he suffered a nervious breakdown that almost killed him?<br />
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Besides Quetzal has direct links to Earthly matters, being the incarnated spirit of Gabriel the Plejaren leader who mated with Mary and produced a son Jmmanuel the 5th prophet whose spiritual connections is directly linked to Billy himself, which in turn is directly linked to almost every Earth human?<br />
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I think we need a new prospective to address this most complicated slew of events ocurring on Earth, letting other ET's dictate how events pan out is certainly not advisable and Quetzal seems the most logical individual to do innovative things rather than be burdened with protocols and directives. Ptaah has done some good work, but being good is not enough.<br />
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I wonder if the 3 planets Ptaah is in charge of are similar or vastly different. I guess that they all follow the creational guidelines to development of people and there consciosness. At best I wouldn't have let Mars/Phaeton Malona fall but in terms of balance since religion came from our region and caused the demise of an entire system of planets, it was our fate to lose one in the cosmic balance. We should be fortunate to still be around with our inaccurate thinking. I think they have done a commendable job but more teaching needs to reach the masses. Tunguska I am not so sure because if they had broken the rules the space faring peoples then they might have brought about there own fate. It could have been handled differently but you learn and make better moves in the future. <br />
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== Sheila said ... ==<br />
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Aloha Hawaiian, I think what you said is being a little disrespectful towards Ptaah, don't you think? Maybe Billy knows of all Ptaah's great deeds and we don't? Since Ptaah isn't one to brag, maybe in some future lifetime we will know of all the great things he's done. But just the fact that we haven't blown our earth up yet speaks volumes since there are a lot of crazy humans with their finger on the button. So just because we aren't spoon fed his great feats, doesn't mean there aren't any. And I sure hope he keeps it up :)<br />
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Nebojsa, this is for you:<br />
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Orthodox_Church<br />
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The two churches you are talking about are "Orthodox Catholic" and "Roman Catholic". But the Orthodox Catholic is commonly just called Orthodox Church.<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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There is a contact report where Semjase says that once Earth humans have developed the means to reach Mars they will discover ancient ruins that will verify to the religious sector and all humanity that they are not the only ones in the universe and will invalidate many of the religious dogmas which keeps humanity from the truth.<br />
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Now that the Sirians erased all evidence it only makes spiritual evolution much more difficult (changes in prophecy as well), Ptaah as a leader of this sector in space should have said something to prevent such an event from occurring, but no he or others was only concerned about some Sirian law that allows such action to take place because "no living human was presently on Mars during the erasure". What about the billions living in religious delusion on Earth who would have certainly benefited from such hard evidence to prove that these degenerated practices (created by ET’s) are false?<br />
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Who cares about Sirian law, this SOL sector is under Plejaren control not them and Ptaah is the primary invidual for its enforcement, instead of standing up for Earthly humanity he let himself be swayed by some outside ET protocols just like in the Tunguska incident which could have resulted in preventing world wars I and II that would have a dramatic outcome for Earthly matters.<br />
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It appears that prediction and prophecies are much more important than correcting the degenerated parameters of humans on Earth to also include protocols and directives of others who visit this sector but do not live here. The cards are surely stacked against us and again Earthly humans are thrown to the wayside from those with the power to assist but chose otherwise, therefore in these cases the Plejaren are part of the problem and not the solution. In this regard had Ptaah or the Plejarens made a better judgment, I would respect them, but since they did not, they do not deserve my respect in these cases. I do recognize other accomplishments as well.<br />
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== Markvd said ... ==<br />
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What's up with all these requests?<br />
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I have a list as well if everyone wants something done.<br />
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1. More teachers like 1 for every 5-7 students.<br />
2. Super giant correctness telepathic/notic impulser for all world leaders. <br />
3. World leaders must meet a certain intelligence level lacking corruption and further progressive movement for mankind or lifespan lessened by half. :)<br />
4. If we go over 10 billion population wise, I think we need a plan B for mankind. <br />
5. People will begin to wonder why other live longer and they will learn that it is because of correct thinking vs incorrect thinking. I think everyone will improve in commmon sense immediately instead of feeding humanity BS. <br />
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There should be certain parameters only few can reach if they abide by the laws, if they do not they shall not enjoy the same benefits. You have to work you way up. Can't expect people to use every cunning scheme to prevail. There must be a way where man is judged and rewarded lacking material or scientific upgrade. Spiritual upgrade for the correct thinkers. Everyone wants the new Ipad but what if you can have one without any electronics and lifetime warranty through spirit teaching. ;)<br />
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As long as we recycle our material ways over and over we will remain a stagnant race of humanity. If our population decreases to a sustainable level we will benefit with enormous technology and spiritual capability beyond our current imagination. <br />
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== Sheila said ... ==<br />
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Aloha Hawaiian, I liken the Sirians to Americans who instead of letting Aghanis deal with the soldier who killed 16 civilians, chose to take him home and prosecute him. Yes it is a Sirian law to destroy all things used in a crime, things are really not that much different here. Once someone is convicted of a crime, the evidence is often destroyed. But when you think of the Sirians destroying the stations on Mars it makes me think they did this just so it wouldn’t happen again. The US secret services were involved so it wouldn’t take them long to get back to Mars and take up where they left off. I think the Sirians did the right thing, and so what if we can’t find the stations? We will find history there at some point, just like we do on earth, we start digging for evidence of previous life.<br />
The Tunguska event is really not as bad as what you think when you consider reincarnation. They would have given their homeworld an epidemic if they had been able to fly home. Instead they are incarnated on earth so they can realize what their shenanigans have done to humans and what the consequences of their interference has brought to this world. People often say that you can only understand if you have walked a mile in someone’s footsteps, so I guess the Tunguska event ETs will have that chance.<br />
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</div></div>Sheilahttps://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/w/index.php?title=Talk:Contact_Report_007&diff=18301Talk:Contact Report 0072012-03-15T14:04:04Z<p>Sheila: Comment provided by Sheila - via ArticleComments extension</p>
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== Reginald said ... ==<br />
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They can travel through time and still not save these scripts? Or copy them at least. Or beam the script and the man aboard!<br />
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== Mark said ... ==<br />
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I remember reading one time that some things must be approved by the High Council, and I don't know if they approved attaining the scripts, but this report is not up to date so who knows what lies in the depths of planet earth and all it's treasures of knowledge. Don't go searching for that script now Reginald and become a rockstar or anything. :)<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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To Reginald,<br />
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Yes, the Plejarens could have just done what you suggested, but that never happened, so Billy had to get the revised version from the Petale level. An extra effort after experiencing a breakdown caused by unreasonable demands by the Plejaren themselves.<br />
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On more than a few occasions, the Plejarens have displayed thoughtless "logic" adhering to their non-interference directives, that has caused more problems for Earth humans to "resolve" had they not logically think the "solution" out before remaining on the sidelines, case in point;<br />
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1 - As in this case of Rashid, the Plejaren also irresponsibly demanded too much from Billy which also killed him as a result.<br />
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2 - Did not intervene when the Sirian commandos began to "erase" all human-made structures on Mars after they arrested the Men in Black on Mars. In Contact Note 251, they mentioned back then, that Earth humans will soon discover the ancient ruins on Mars that will bring into question the religious dogmas. But now it has been erased, makes it more difficult to prove otherwise, thus makes Billy's mission more difficult as well.<br />
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3 - Did not intervene during the Tunguska event when a spacecraft with 4387 ET's through navigation error, brought them to Russian and could not leave because of technical difficulties. They created an atomic bomb and destroyed themselves, thus they are now condemned to the re-incarnation process here on Earth, when the Plejarens could have provided another option, but did not, because they are blinded by their own quest for evolution.<br />
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Here was a genuine opportunity to resolve a host of problems for both these ET's and Earth humans, who common problems traced back to religions and those that promoted it. Their home worlds were destroyed when their ancestors took the insane religious beliefs from Earth back there 1000 years ago.<br />
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Those that created these religious insanity were none other than the Giza Intelligences based under the pyramids. Instead of allowing such an opportunity go to waste, these ET's could have served a most useful endeavor and counter-act the evil Giza Intelligences, thus preventing WW1 and WW2 and also permitting their leaders back home to reconsider? <br />
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Sometimes I wonder how "logical" these Plejarens are, when they can't even see what's under their feet? Yes the foundation they stand on, created by the most honorable BEING/Being himself Nokodemjon who co-created the very ancestors of the Plejaren, Creator Overlords and others. It is this foundation of logical, humane intervention that supercedes any directives which enables one to evolve pass these self-imposed restrictions that inhibits both parties of this equation.<br />
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== Mark said ... ==<br />
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Hawaiian everyone can't do the Hula dance correctly at first but even higher and more knowledgeable beings can't make perfect decisions every time. Wars can be averted if money hungry people and those that wish to dominate don't reach the highest position so easily. I mean once you become a top official it's like taking candy from a baby, there should be an enormous amount of obstacles before anything is approved. Governments are set up so in a couple of years ANYONE can make it to the top and impose there will upon there people. If they had tougher requirements in leadership such as a very high education attainment, years of good humanitarian service and a certain age before becoming a rule creator things would be much better. It would also help if before approvign anything they discuss the possible good and bad outcomes thus they don't get surprised when chaos breaks out because they were too quick on the trigger. I also remember reading that the Plejarens cannot interfere with events within our jurisdiction unless of a possible destructive nature to the cosmos. They have kindly sent 7 prophets our way or the universe has and we turned them away with the profit power greedy seeking leaders. We are the only ones to blame for our problems. <br />
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--Mark 20:39, 1 June 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Bigfoot said ... ==<br />
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I agree with Mark because the Plejaren are only Human and not some perfect god.Everybody can learn from their mistakes so they can correct these mistakes to the good.I feel very good that the Plejuran help us at all.What would it be like if there was only bad Aliens?<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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In 1995 the Plejarens have officially withdrawn from Earthly missions, expect for the occasional visits and telepathic contacts with BEAM. So as I see it, we are again left to fend for ourselves, one question that I still ponder, are some of the evil 144,228 former ring leaders the "Sons and Daughters of Heavens", those responsible for the terrible religious dogmas on Earth were later accepted by the Plejaren in the past.<br />
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Thus, is it logical to assume that some of these Plejarens have a self interest in themselves, more so than the concern of these manipulated/degenerated Earth humans, since they have "fulfilled" their part through BEAM by the Creational materials he has written and now has left, contented with their "mission accomplished" endeavor?<br />
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Based on the past and current practices/attitudes of the Plejaren, I'm not sure if I would whole hearty accept them 100 percent genuine and compassionate, for self preservation, avoidance to open dialogue towards addressing their counterparts and steadfastly adhering to their "directives" often appears counter-productive and often creates more problems at hand.<br />
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Granted, I will credit them for the assistance given to both BEAM and Earthly matters, but they still have much to learn even if it means the destruction of Earth along with people like ourselves under the worst imposed conditions, trying in earnest to adhere to Creational methods, in my books is nothing less than abandonment! <br />
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However, as Billy once mentioned to Quetzal, "one day the Plejaren will be humbled and respect those that they feed with a big spoon". <br />
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== Mark said ... ==<br />
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Hawaiian I usually agree but it's like entering into every country and imposing our rules and time and everytime. A problem which is still going on today.:) If we can't figure out to help ourselves, how can we become any better. If they solve all our problems and fix every mistake we make, how can we learn? I am sure that they had there fair share of trouble makers as well like Ashtar Sheran who was a highly knowledgeable one that somehow chose a different path. They are by no means perfect, remember the caks ship being discontinued. I would call most of what they say as genuine because it is a universal matter of knowledge they are passing along not an egotistical self centered ideal. Would you want to speak to beings that have a LONG way to go in terms of mental development and don't use all there senses correctly. It's like talking to a wall. One day things will get better if everyone can jointly make decisions rather than pointing fingers all the time. <br />
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--Mark 22:50, 6 June 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Mark said ... ==<br />
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Even more imperfections is there inability to have contact with dogs and cats at close proximity. <br />
Flashlights which can blind them.<br />
Bicycles and there monstrous road grating and balancing act dangers.<br />
500 plus cake ship atmosphere deterioration feature. OOPS said that one already. <br />
Updated Contact reports due to approval from councils high above them. <br />
Pictures destroyed due to overexcited human reactions and possible black mail by earth humans of degenerate thinking capabilities. <br />
Feel free to add a list of more my fellow contact report readers. <br />
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--Mark 23:33, 6 June 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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This exercise was to point out the imperfections of these so called "advanced ET's", not point fingers, although it has a certain logical value when seriously analyzed under the Cause and Effect principle for those without the necessary experience in endeavoring however compassionate resolutions they may be utilizing. <br />
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On more than a few occasions, had the Plejaren or others analyzed the particular situations and elicit inputs from the very ones affected, then the outcome would have a more positive impact. There are allot of events going on within this most complex environment, both material and fine matters that one day we and others will discover as logical and humane. That is why such a complex interconnected issues that spans time/space of various encounters require a composite consensus approach to include the inputs from these so called degenerates, since some are directly connected to former ET re-incarnated spirits.<br />
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Maybe it will be another ET race or BEING not the Plejaren, with of course, Earth human inputs that will finally bring about the reversal of degenerative measures that will bridge the enormous gap that now separates our common link(s)?<br />
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We are more interconnected than what meets the eye, but that full potential(s) have not been addressed and when one understands their valuable place holder in this equation, along with others on the "other side" of this equation, then one will "find" the appropriate measures to finally balance the "Equational Potentials" between the negative and positive factors since Nokodemjon brought order in the DERN universe.<br />
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The "key" is to acknowledge and act positively on your particular attributes in this most complex set of evolutionary circumstances regardless of ones current level of evolution. When all entities react positively, then the BEING will be unified between the material and fine energies that currently separate them.<br />
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== Mark said ... ==<br />
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The Plejaren are not perfect, so they cannot know every single space dwelling race out there. They are developing like we are, thus we can't rely on them for everything, we should be so kind to say thanks for the assistance. They can in no way know every ET's intention out there. If we implemented better measures to counter rash decision making then things can get better by our own hand rather than us having to hope the Plejaren elicit thoughts into every leader to do the right thing. <br />
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--Mark 16:51, 7 June 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Bigfoot said ... ==<br />
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Because the Plejaren are close friends with BEAM it is more than reasonable to think that the Plejaren show wisdom and knowledge which is simply excused by us Earth Human degenerates.(Wisdom x knowledge = Love).It is unreasonable to expect any human at any level of evolution to sacrifice themselves. <br />
The best anybody can do is to be responsible for themselves first and to help others secondly.We should only compete with good deeds.These ideas evolve humans to be spiritual and thus independent from the urge to be dependent on others.The body is really a vessel or dwelling for the spirit and the conscience block. Food is the fuel and material that maintains the flesh and blood while the electromagnetic energies power the body and the conscience and the fluidal Energies and much more.We are today capable of reversing the gene that degenerates our lives it only requires masses of people to awake and see the truth in order for cause and effect to take place for the good.<br />
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== Nebojsa said ... ==<br />
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Greek Orthodox-Catholic Church? Such a church does not exist. The two are separate and opposed (since the 10th century AD).The Talmud has nothing in common with either of the above mentioned churches, it is Jewish. And Rashid is an Arabic/Islamic name. Such errors raise serious doubts about the authenticity of the text and compromise Mr. Meier.<br />
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== Zameen said ... ==<br />
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-nebojas I implore you to read much more and with specific regard the contact notes. Therein you will find answers that seemed like they were standing up and waving a giant flag as if to say "Right here!! right here!! These are the answers!"<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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The revised version of the Talmud transmitted to Billy came from the Petale realm, the highest spiritual level before becoming the Absolutum. It is NOT any religious dogma, nor belongs to any religion, certainly not Jewish who god they worship is Jehova who WAS a JHFH (king of falsehood, malice) an evil material man who is not even at the half-physical/spiritual level of the High Council and not even close to the 1st level of the Arahat Athersata in which the Petale is much higher being at the 7th pure spiritual level.<br />
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So logical speaking, why would the Petale give instructions to Billy for a Jewish people whose god is opposite of what creational teaching is about? Don't make sense at all..<br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 22:09, 13 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Just my opinion, if the events stated are true and that the Plejaren leader Ptaah for not just Earth but two other planets was responsible for these miscues (Tunguska, Mars) then maybe he should gracefully retire and let Quetzal take his place since he is already at the JHWH level and also a strut degree as well.<br />
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Besides was it not Quetzal's inititive in conducting that android experiement to validate that the Plejaren's demmand on Billy at the SSSC was too extreme and the reason why he suffered a nervious breakdown that almost killed him?<br />
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Besides Quetzal has direct links to Earthly matters, being the incarnated spirit of Gabriel the Plejaren leader who mated with Mary and produced a son Jmmanuel the 5th prophet whose spiritual connections is directly linked to Billy himself, which in turn is directly linked to almost every Earth human?<br />
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I think we need a new prospective to address this most complicated slew of events ocurring on Earth, letting other ET's dictate how events pan out is certainly not advisable and Quetzal seems the most logical individual to do innovative things rather than be burdened with protocols and directives. Ptaah has done some good work, but being good is not enough.<br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 22:23, 13 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Markvd said ... ==<br />
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I wonder if the 3 planets Ptaah is in charge of are similar or vastly different. I guess that they all follow the creational guidelines to development of people and there consciosness. At best I wouldn't have let Mars/Phaeton Malona fall but in terms of balance since religion came from our region and caused the demise of an entire system of planets, it was our fate to lose one in the cosmic balance. We should be fortunate to still be around with our inaccurate thinking. I think they have done a commendable job but more teaching needs to reach the masses. Tunguska I am not so sure because if they had broken the rules the space faring peoples then they might have brought about there own fate. It could have been handled differently but you learn and make better moves in the future. <br />
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--[[User:Markvd|Markvd]] 00:23, 15 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Sheila said ... ==<br />
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Aloha Hawaiian, I think what you said is being a little disrespectful towards Ptaah, don't you think? Maybe Billy knows of all Ptaah's great deeds and we don't? Since Ptaah isn't one to brag, maybe in some future lifetime we will know of all the great things he's done. But just the fact that we haven't blown our earth up yet speaks volumes since there are a lot of crazy humans with their finger on the button. So just because we aren't spoon fed his great feats, doesn't mean there aren't any. And I sure hope he keeps it up :)<br />
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--[[User:Sheila|Sheila]] 14:04, 15 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
</div></div>Sheilahttps://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/w/index.php?title=Talk:Being_Oneself&diff=18262Talk:Being Oneself2012-03-05T16:20:11Z<p>Sheila: Comment provided by Sheila - via ArticleComments extension</p>
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== Bigfoot said ... ==<br />
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Eduard...I discovered that this reasoning actually does work very effectively.I read the first few chapters of THE GOBLET OF TRUTH and used this knowledge at my workplace.A certain co-worker tried his best to erupt my degenerate feelings to backfiring into a rage,but I triumphed and he cooled down back to being reasonable.It appears that the conscience can catch on fire and the fire does burn up all reasoning.This knowledge brings tremendous joy to me.<br />
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== Mark said ... ==<br />
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Same here Bigfoot, people at my workplace tend to find joy in bringing heartache to others in order to feel better about themselves especially those in higher positions,deja vu. :) I remember when I use to feel a fury in my belly every time but I know that won't solve any problems. <br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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== Bigfoot said ... ==<br />
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The workplace is a prime example of what overpopulation of the genetic manipulated people degenerate at an ever more vicious rate that dooms us to what the creator/manipulators hope to be our mass extinction.I sometimes feel why not get it over with(World War 3) but reason prevails and the creational laws of fight back are stronger.Why not show those other visitor Et's Who's Who and not stoop to our lowest form.Show them that we too are part of Creation and welcome any help that they may offer us.<br />
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Very good!!!<br />
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"Generally, attacks and problems of others must be ignored and warded off in a manner that they are the concern, the aggression and problems of antagonists and not of one's own person."<br />
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So why are you whining about "overpopulation" and various other issues, if it is only the concern of the overpopulating antagonists?<br />
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Why are you whining about "humans exhausting the Earth's resorces down to the last bushel" if you can make it not your concern?<br />
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Why are you whining about anything at all on this site if it isn't your concern?<br />
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Why are you whining about a "lack of wisdom" in humans, if it's only their concern?<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Why whine? It's because of selfish idiots like yourself who only thing about themselves and not about the environment of both internal and external which will be destroyed by the items you mention.<br />
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Your attitude is the same as those destructive jews of hyperboleans who conspired, spread lies and deceit amongs the Atlantians and Mu so that they ended up destroying their cities on Earth and almost destroyed the planet as well, not to mention a good majority of life both human and other spiecies died because of such insane madness of selfishness, greed, lust of power and plain stupidity.<br />
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People here (not counting you) are concerned about what those other 90 percent of humanity who are stuck on stupid engaging in self-destructive activites that not only threaten themselves, but also those who care...<br />
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So in cases like these, maybe it's best to ship off these degenerates to another desolute planet so they can destroy themselves and let Earth recover itself from this insane madness.<br />
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I didn't say that you shouldn't be whining. I asked why are you whining and then self contradicting yourself by telling others to shrug it off. Why are you claiming that absolutely anything can be shrugged off, and then whining about it for 1000s of articles? Why are you telling me that the poisonous oxygen depleted air I'm breathing, is only the “concern of antagonists”, and then proceeding to whine about it and lecture on “honesty” and “wisdom”, you self contradicting retard(s)? Why are you telling me that the poisonous oxygen depleted air I'm breathing, is only the “concern of antagonists”, and then proceeding to lecture on the interconnectedness of the universe and how 1 thing affects another at any distance, you self contradicting retard(s)?<br />
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In addition, why should non retards (not you) even have to be exposed to “antagonists” in the first place? Just to satisfy your insatiable dick hungriness? Or just because out of an infinite versions of reality possible, Creation decided it gets turned on by seeing ghetto scrubs like yourself in action VIA A VERSION OF REALITY BASED ON ABSOLUTE DEPENDANCE? <br />
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STFU animal. Don’t give lectures on selfishness to someone 10000000000X more righteous than yourself. You that would reproduce beside the degenerates you are whining about because your dick starved appetite and mini me bondage fetishes take priority over your child not breathing noxious air, don’t get to lecture on selfishness, you flagrant 2 faced weasel. <br />
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"GAIS!!! I'M SO CONCERNED WITH BLOOD SOPPING CLAWS MERCILESS DESTRUCTION COMING OUR WAY, I'VE DECIDED TO ADD 3 TARGETS TO THE MEATGRINDER TRAIN, HERP DERP, HERP DERP, NARFFF, I'm so wise(TM)". That’s your 2faced weasel 3 minis manufacturing prophet in action and that's you, unrighteous parasites that you are.<br />
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GREETINGS NEIGHBOURHOOD PSYCHOAPTH. Once you reproduce, once you stick that penis in the vagina, you are responsible for everything down to the last detail. If you reproduce beside "those other 90 percent of humanity who are stuck on stupid engaging in self-destructive activities that not only threaten themselves, but also those who care" WTF do you think that makes you?.... It makes you a "stuck on" dick sucking appetites 2faced weasel that can't deviate from your selfish appetites WHEN NECCESSARY. You are the selfish one, don’t try to put your weasel shylock spin on things. You that has the audacity to reproduce because your more advanced pet fetishes and insatiable dick starved appetites take priority over all else don’t get to give lectures on selfishness. ADDITIONALLY THE IDEA OF “SELF DESTRUCTIVE ACTIVITIES” IS A SICK JOKE to begin with, YOU FLAGRANT PSYCHOAPTH. I’VE ALREADY MENTIONED THE OBVIOUS, THAT CREATION/SOURCE CAN DO ANYTHING IT WANTS WITH ITS CONSTANTS/PARAMETERS AND THAT WHAT IS SELF DESTRUCTIVE IS SO BY DESIGN (OF THE CREATIONAL LAWS), NOT BY ABSOLUTENESS – NOT BECAUSE IT COULD BE NO OTHER WAY.<br />
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If you reproduce beside the “degenerates”, you become a “degenerate” psychopath yourself. Logic? Any questions?<br />
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AGAIN, SPARE ME THE HISTORY LESSON YOU PSYCHOTIC TRIVIAL WEASEL-BITCH GAME ADDICT. I already know the history & I'm not interested in your trivial human bitch games, for the last time. In all of that history you just described, YOU AND YOUR KIND, EGO TRIPPING ANIMALS THAT YOU ARE, reproduced besides these psychopaths you are whining about, hence becoming a psychopath yourself. AND, BECAUSE YOU KNOW AND KNEW YOU ARE IN CREATION'S GAME/HOUSE/MATERIAL, BECAUSE YOU KNOW AND KNEW THERE'S NO RUSH TO REPRODUCE SINCE YOU AREN'T IN THE FIRST VERION OF EXISTANCE BUT IN CREATION'S MATERIAL WHICH WILL TAKE CARE OF THINGS ANYWAYS, AND STILL REPRODUCED BESIDES THE “DEGENERATE” PSYCHOPATHS YOU ARE CONDEMING, YOU ARE 100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 X WORSE THAN THE PSYCHOPATHS YOU ARE CONDEMING.<br />
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This is known as logic you mother fucking (literally) 2 faced weasel TROLL.<br />
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You don't seem to understand, that your kids aren’t obligated to eat the feces you weren't able to take care of yourself. You’re the one obligated to forego reproduction if feces is on the menu. If you weren't able to take care of all things, then you shouldn't have reproduced. ONCE YOU REPRODUCE, YOU ARE GUILTY FOR EVERYTHING THAT OCCURS AND HAS OCCURED EVER ON THE PLANET. And now you are being asked to justify your bullshit lies, which you cannot do, because you don't speak the language of logic, but rather the language of troll. YOU REPEAT YOUR TRIVIAL BITCH GAME HISTORY THAT YOU WERE WILLINGLY A PART OF BY REPRODUCING BESIDES THE DEGENERATES YOU ARE WHINING ABOUT, hence MAKING YOU 1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000X THE DEGENERATE. In addition you have the gall to give lectures on selfishness, you that would reproduce no matter what situation you find yourself in, you sick sick sick sick fuck – you psychotic animal that only understands one language: the language of a throbbing hard cock pulsating in your throat.<br />
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CHARGING BONDAGE ROBOT, if you reproduce beside "degenerates", you are 10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 X the "degenerate" yourself.<br />
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I suggest you go back to education, learn some more math/logic and come back with something other than flaunting your insatiable dick sucking appetite that you can’t let go of when necessary.<br />
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However don't take this post seriously, as its only a troll post to answer the troll quality of your post, you MAGNIFICENT SPLENDID MARVELOUS BEINGS OF LOGIC AND RIGHTEOUSNESS.<br />
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PS. I have a question for you marvellous beings of logic and righteousness. According to your prophet Meier, “only that which is true and remains true, can be valid as truth – something one can depend on and that never under any circumstances ever needs revision.” So the truth isn’t time variant. So my question to you is, if bondaging absolute dependency material life isn’t the truth in 1 trillion years from now, why would it be the truth now? If the present psychotic version of reality isn’t acceptable in 1 trillion years from now, why would it be acceptable now? When you spread your disease, of constant eating, shitting, urinating and having to deal with “antagonists”, culminating in aging, decaying and dying and repeating that cycle, to others, are you proud of yourself?<br />
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Obviosly you still come here Troll Era because you find SOME validity or conflict with reason towards the work of Meier. If you didn't care at all you would move along and not waste your time here. I guess you have a lot of time to spare or are just a confrontational degenerate. :) Either way I hope you find some common sense. <br />
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If there are any doubts that there should be a world wide birth stop just look at Troll's post. I've never seen a better argument for birth control than that. You know the type, the ones that accuse everyone else of shitting but don't realize that they shit themselves. I mean who wants spoiled little brats who can't get their way to eventually govern the earth?<br />
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== Sweet6b9 said ... ==<br />
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Peace in Wisdom Billy. May we be responsible for our own actions and step up against those Dark Ones that are now in control in our Worlds Governments. They can be known as NWO, Illuminati, VRIL Society, Skull & Bones, and they convene at Bohemian Grove!! I have seen evidence to support all that you have given, here in the USA in the Government where I have worked. I am aware that the Plajaren came and offered their help but were treated poorly and turned away. Now the Dark Ones and the Grey are in control of our Navy & Airforce & Secret Intelligence Agencies. The Army is ill equiped to defend against their technology. My spirit is awake and I fight for my life, they steel my sleep and push dreams on me and they have implanted my body to try to prevent me from meditation. I have seen things all my life but tell no one until now.<br />
Billy, I need to let you know what is going to happen the way I see it. See YouTube for video "NASA Sun Objects", they seem to be destroying the sun. Is it possible the sun will turn Red and the Moon? The HAARP weapon has depleated our ionosphere. The ones in charge think they will live deep within the earth and on the Moon and Mars where we now have military forces. They are unaware that they are being deceived even though they have been lied to over and over. I tell them again and again but they do not care what I say.<br />
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Peace in wisdom Billy, You are a HERO in my book always and your message has saved my life so far! I have made mistakes but I try still.<br />
I fear Ptaah has been taken to Aldeberan for helping me. Something about violating the Covenant?? But I called to him to ask for help for the innocent that are being taken. You need not reply to that. I only hope I have the strength you had in the past to face my challenge ahead. You should know that the Black Delta ships are back and they are making more in Dulce NM in the USA close to a place called Area 51.<br />
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Can you help me with a land mark proximity of the 3rd Nuclear Facility in Iran!! Please..<br />
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Sorry, I am unfamiliar with any land marks in Iran. My appologies.<br />
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Things happen all the time but because now facts and figures get reported though out the world 1000 times faster than just 100 years ago ... because we here about every thing all the time as soon as it happens no mater where it happens at... we know about it with in mins. things always happen but thanks to radio TV the internet ect...we here about now and all the time over and over again...<br />
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i should add... things that happen now have happen 100 years ago 1000 years ago 10,000 years agoo a million years ago ./.. but now we just here about it now over and over again as soon as it happens ... things are getting worse are better... the world and its weather is just alive as a living world that makes changes to its self on a dailey bases<br />
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things arent getting worse ... ARE'NT ! <br />
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I was wondering if any of you psychics or enlightened ones know what will occur on 28/10/11. This date is coming up really fast and i'm getting worried.<br />
This is the official end date of the mayan calander and also for those of you who are into your numerology 2+8+1=11 therefore 11/11. This is significant I know it! <br />
What i've read so far seems to be very pessimistic. I try to remain a positive spirit none the less but I would love to know the truth about this date.<br />
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WHEN WE AWAKE WE HAVE TWO SIMPLE CHOICES, <br />
GO BACK TO SLEEP AND DREAM<br />
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Violetlight. hello and welcome to the BEAM wiki site:) I believe the answer's you seek are well written and logged here in the contact reports section. just use the search function and type in a search. I believe that Billy had explained that the Mayans stopped making the calendar primarily because their civilization was collapsing in on itself due to poor water supplies,devastating droughts, famine, and overpopulation, and they could no longer devote precious time to the calendar. according to this information, they did not possess any mystical knowledge of any sort and knew nothing of an "end of the world" scenario.<br />
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== Markvd said ... ==<br />
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28/10/11 = 28th of October 2011, no problem the universe is saved once again. :) Just another day in oddworld Earth zone. <br />
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== Violetlight said ... ==<br />
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Thank you for you replies and I can say I finally know. I spent months piecing together the puzzle and trying to make sense of a childhood dream I never forgot. The dream was a kaleidoscope of many colours swirling around. Ulrika! The violet light has guided me all this time. Archangel Zadkiel and the amethyst. I never really thought anything of it until my dad passed away last December two days after my birthday and I put an amethyst bracelet in his hand the next day in the chapel of rest. On the way home his favorite song came on the radio. :)<br />
Anyway I looked this up a few months ago when I first heard about all the nibiru shindig and 2012 theories. Because the violet colour popped into my head. So I looked up the amethyst and lone behold archangel Zadkiel! :) So I now know my dad is o.k and it was something I did out of pure love and didnt even realise it. <br />
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I've always been interested in tarot and just general open-mindedness and I have to say the way things are perceived on tv or on the radio are shocking. IT IS SIMPLY NOT TRUE AND DOES NOT REFLECT REALITY IN ANY WAY! YOU CANNOT LEARN ANYTHING FROM TV OR SCHOOL OR GOVERNMENT. We learn only by looking inside our souls to the depth of our hearts.<br />
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I know alot of you are going to think i'm crazy! But please I promise you there is something amazing for you all if you want it, not just for yourself but for the benefit of all. Thats the lesson in life. The Pleidians have and are continuing to be amazing and they deserve our gratitude. Thanks for your help guys! <br />
Accept the journey you are on and dont hide away from the dark. Face it without fear and you will be rewarded.<br />
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You can learn from TV, school, and government in certain way. Example would be school allows you to meet different people thus opening your eyes to each unique situation an individual has thus having a wider range of knowledge etc, and TV is great to learn cooking and such, governments of our planet well let's say it has a loooooooong ways to go before a correctly implemented structure but at least they are trying. :)<br />
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Violetlight - don't get confused with 20/12/2012 (or 12/20/2012 which ever date type you use), that's the end of the Mayan Calendar, not 28 Oct 2011. Although the 28th Oct is said to be important in the ongoing financial crisis we've had thrust upon us. It's believed our system will collapse by then (only a few days to go) and we'll be in survival mode in more ways than one. Hang on to your seats - we're in for a tough ride spiritually, financially and mentally. Other than that, I believe the Mayan calendar may just be like ours in some ways, it's near the end and so it begins again - nothing sinister there.<br />
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you are the same as the people that are trying to run this planet .and i think if you understand what the et.so called pladians have done in time past then they are at fault to.now you want to give a woman a pill to stop them haveing kids.and you did not want to stick your nose in .give the pill to the men of this world not the woman. you wont do a thing about the weopons and the people running this planet as you say that you are sticking your nose in.so what is giveing a woman a pill then. population my foot deal with the important things on this world first .like nuclear and biological stuff first.you pladians think the same way has the powers that be on this planet .BACKWARDS. so much for being the inteligent ones<br />
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i bet now you will kick me of this site,the soon as a guy speaks his mind of you go.well lets see.ptaah why is it that your family are charged with the earth .started with sfath then you then quintzel.then semjase.asket.its one family who do you talk to do you sit and talk to billy or do you go home and report to them about things .if people where free to work the land and have there own bit then we would not need the pill this planet if one looks after oners self will carry more .you have to work it so each one get a slice of land .there is planty of space on this planet. no lets just give a woman a pill. now listen in or out no more playing games like you are gods in or out help or note .if so then help with the important things if not then go home and let things be the way they are till the big bang.you are getting to my karma yet you wont talk to me or face me one to one .you will say are but we cant stick our nose in.but you give a woman a pill. you talk to billy great but what the hell can one man do not a lot .so i through billy know you are there well done is that it.even if the whole world knew you was there so what then .you still cant stick your nose in as you say.get all of us to meditate then what we still have to work and do things just to live .i am halve way through the goblet of truth and so far i have to say its very repetative stuff. i know there is no gods tin gods or anything like that god is in everyman yeha. but i am no more of a man now then when i started to read it .i can go on for hours i am at the end of my rope.contenplating life and it dont look good<br />
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I wont ban you as you are not being insulting or anything like that. You are speaking/writing your mind which is always good in my opinion (unless you are trying to protect someone from harm of course).<br />
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So you dont agree with the Birth Control ideas on this website? Is it because you think that it isnt overpopulated? Even when people live like animals in crowded, dirty slums. Dont you think everyone deserves to have a decent home with plenty of land around it so you can nurture nature with your own hands, head and spirit? I want everyone to live in peace without suffering and if that means birth control and higher taxes then I would gladly support. Weapons are also a problem I agree but anything can be a weapon in the hands of a psychopath and how do psychopaths come into existence? Does the trail of evidence nearly always lead back to an abusive childhood without love or wise parental advice on why we exist and our objectives in the universe? I think it probably does.<br />
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Why are you at the end of the rope? You sir/madam are a spark of Creation. We are part of the same being. If you suffer, so do I. Be neutral positive and remember that your problems are only passing. Even if you have a lifelong problem, it is only one life of millions you already have had and will have. And it can only get better as you reincarnate over and over until...pure spiritform existence where you can travel instantaneously anywhere in the Creation. Or so I'm led to understand. <br />
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Have you read http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Thoughts_about_Worries_of_Yesterday,_Today_and_Tomorrow ?<br />
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hi james. fist i want to say that i am sorry to get at you or anyone. i get so angry sometimes when i here that a person as come up with a silly idea to the population of this planet is to give a woman a pill. i dont have kids but wish i did.but i would not vote to get a woman a pill when i would cladly take it. you see a woman as each month as you know a period .well to me that would be for those who are tring to have kids would be wrong its cruel to let a woman know she is born to have kids but cant how does a person tell the woman of this world you cant have kids anymore you cant.i think that you need to do a council of woman from here and from the dern planet so you can both talk and decide what is best.2 life for some people on this planet is bad yes but that is only because of the people that are in charge greed as taken a hold of this planet and it wont let go yet..i think i understand why billy cant tell us stuff yet the more i find out the more annoyed i get with the way life is.3 i really dont think that the planet is over populated i think that they gaver in city and towns to be close to one and another like a big family i think that if we all had the same size land to work on and develope things i thing might be different.have you herd of the thrase catch 22 well i beleive that a lot of people are caught up in it..birth control and higher taxes wont do it you will greate more bad people .yes i am a spark of creation i know that but at this time i feel that the more i learn about things the more my hands are tied and it gets to me that one cant help people. as for the life i had before i dont know of it was i good or was i bad i dont know so where is the learning if i cant remember.let me ask you this if a guy come to you and says on the 21 december you will have a solar flare .is that it how long what time will it knock out the lights will it brake stuff will the people go nuts what. you cant say crap like that to people with out given them more to go on to decide to get wood or place to go or by stuff to be ready for it.as for me i am 52 and my childhood was no picnic but i know not to pick up a gun or a knife i was picked on and beaten but i never wanted to kill a person i am not afraid of death iknow that life goes on .its the monetery system that you have to get rid of first... i see what they are trying to do .let the population go down before the monetery system collapses that way you have less death.a guy will kill a guy just to feed his kid but if the population was smaller you wont have that problem .james are you like me just a guy that asked questions who are you. i am sergio leone aka leslie carter... do you know billy or his friends or am i just talking to the mail man down the street.lol..sergio<br />
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james you gave me a page to read and i did read it.the worrie i have comes from billy on his site it says that we will have a flare solar flare 21 december 2012 now you know and i know that cant be stopped so we have to deal with it good .but my worrie is will it last a week a month or a year will i need more food should i buy more should i get more water or juice .or do i just say what the hell and just wait for the day. must get back to the goblet of truth .thx sergio out<br />
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Hi again Sergio, I understand what you mean about not allowing women to have kids but this is not what FIGU are proposing. They propose that the population can be reduced by having 7 year period of no births followed by 1 year of procreation/giving birth, followed by another 7 years of no births etc etc. Everyone can have kids as long as they meet the requirements, e.g. meet the minimum age requirement, get married first, dont have more than 3 kids, etc. <br />
I'm not going to prepare much for any possible disasters here in Scotland apart from maybe buy a lot of long lasting food and water such as rice, pasta, water bottles etc. Perhaps 1 months supply. In Scotland we never have droughts though so the probability of starvation is low.<br />
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You confused birth control with birth prevention. Birth control is a social project to limit the annual birth number, while birth prevention is an individual project to prevent the fertilization of female egg by male sprematozoa. The best way to do it, Blip, is not by giving pills to women, but by seriously applying The Great Law Of Coitus Interuptus, Blip.<br />
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thx james for the reply.yes it sounds like a good idea 7 years of 1 year on.if there is no pill and its done by the peoples concent then i agree... by the way lucky you to live in the north scotland what a great place .when you mean water rice and stuff the solar flare is so big that i think it will take out power and cars that are now running by engine management systems and all electrical stuff tv .computers and so on maybe even a satelitte or 2..and you made me laugh about the coitus interuptus.lets get all the guys to have bells on.. thx james for all your help.salome.<br />
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Hi Blip, do you know what the birth control pill does? It basically makes the woman's body think it is already pregnant and then her body doesn't release an egg. Therefore no pregnancy can take place. There's nothing wrong with that and is very liberating for women because sometimes we just cannot rely on men concerning birth control :) Personally as a woman, I would not allow either politics or religion to make that choice for me. It's a informed choice to be made by a woman and her doctor, with of course input from the significant other. It's wonderful for women to have that choice and does not interfere with a womans ability to have children later on, in the case of the world wide birth stop. You are fretting about the pill for nothing.<br />
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</div></div>Sheilahttps://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/w/index.php?title=Special:Badtitle/NS101:JamesMoore/Extraterrestrial_nutritional_health_advice_that_really_works/c000052&diff=18002Special:Badtitle/NS101:JamesMoore/Extraterrestrial nutritional health advice that really works/c0000522012-01-27T02:30:44Z<p>Sheila: New comment by Sheila: You really must re-read contact report 260 http://futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_260 Scroll down to 59 (after the part about HAARP) and read until 71. That will...</p>
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Scroll down to 59 (after the part about HAARP) and read until 71. That will answer any and all questions concerning microwaving.</div>Sheilahttps://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/w/index.php?title=Talk:Thoughts_about_Worries_of_Yesterday,_Today_and_Tomorrow&diff=17967Talk:Thoughts about Worries of Yesterday, Today and Tomorrow2012-01-17T15:55:48Z<p>Sheila: Comment provided by Sheila - via ArticleComments extension</p>
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I think they should create a Creational Laws rating system once the entirety of the populace has learned to understand and implement correct use of the laws in daily life a huge meter above the Earth goes you get a prize. :) After the longest tenured class in the universe planet you have finally learned how not to steal. As they perfect each law Earth moves closer to excellence thus more good things revealed. I don't know if my planet Earth has the organized bunch that can accomplish a massive total of 10-12 recommendations, it seems too much for our feeble bunch at this time. I say we work on one at a time. I suggest we separate everyone around the globe into there various learning categories. I don't want to be anywhere near the thou shall not kill bunch. :)<br />
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I found this article very helpful because I am currently going through an experience that could be considered very negative for the health of one's own psyche but it is indeed just a mere episode and I shall not allow it to cause me any stress. <br />
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What I am experiencing is the temporary loss of my wife and 2 young children who are moving to Thailand, against my desire. I'll not see them from next Tuesday until April at the earliest. <br />
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But this article strengthens my motivation to fear not, worry not and grieve not, as it will simply be another one of those life events that are actually simply a learning experience that all of us human beings go through at one time or another. <br />
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I do need to try and understand how this event came about though and this is more difficult as there are so many factors: past events that affect the present, the compatibility of us as a couple, the economic factors that intrude upon our lives etc.<br />
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If I had a beamship I would not have to battle against the feeling of melancholy that I shall surely experience after they have gone to Thailand because I could see them at any time. That's a Pisces for you, I'm a dreamer.<br />
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Sorry to hear that James. Maybe you can set up skype and talk to them that way? Relationships are very hard and need constant work especially when the kids are little, there always seems to be a lot more problems. The biggest decision you're going to make is whether you want to stay together or separate, but looks like maybe your wife took that decision away from you? You can't change the past but you can recognize the mistakes and not repeat them. Yes, Pisces always want to be the peacemakers. Keep your chin up and your head held high!<br />
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All other opinions asside, I have seen the proof that these contacts are real as the US Government has extensive records related to the fact that these contacts are real. I do not have these records but I am attesting to this fact for all to see. They have and are having contact with the Baffath and are working with them as evidenced by the Black Triangle ships that are being seen world wide. For Video Evidence search Triangle UFO or TR-3B online or on YouTube.<br />
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== Gerswin2002 said ... ==<br />
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That metal is Aluminum and not Thulium. The EDS spectrum that Vogel shows corresponds to Aluminum with traces of Silver (see reference below). Thulium has a strong band at 1.462 KeV. This is very close to the Aluminum strong band at 1.486 KeV and without the "secondary bands" as Vogel himself noted. <br />
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I have experience with EDS X-Ray in Scanning Electron Microscopy; it is easy to confuse elements and, since there are no secondary bands, the metal is the very common element Aluminum and not the rare Thulium.<br />
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I'm surprise that in almost 30 years nobody noticed the mistake Vogel made in his analysis.<br />
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Reference: The "Thulium" Spectrum is shown at time mark 8:44 of the video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4koTWaohZxc&feature=related . Again, that is Aluminum with traces of Silver and not Thulium.<br />
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== Sheila said ... ==<br />
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Well Gerswin2002, I guess that's your opinion. Vogel did note the secondary band (which was there) but somehow you claim it wasn't? Any nut job can come on here and make all sorts of claims. Come on, tell us your real name and qualifications. Sorry but having "experience" does not make you an expert. I think I'll go with the guy who had numerous patents based on information gleaned from investigation. How many patents do you have?<br />
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== Sheila said ... ==<br />
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Sweet6b9, those black triangle craft are none other than your very own terrestrial black ops. They have been around for at least 30 years - no aliens involved. A former military person informed me he had seen ufo craft in a hangar as far back as the '50s. They were sworn to secrecy. He also said that it was common that U.S. military personelle were brainwashed after coming out of the bush to make sure they kept their mouths shut.<br />
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== Gerswin2002 said ... ==<br />
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Sweet: <br />
Aluminum and Thulium do have very close strong band (1.486 and 1.462 KeV respectively), you can verify that in the links below:<br />
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http://www.radiochemistry.org/periodictable/<br />
http://www.edax.com/literature/periodic.aspx<br />
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Vogel himself says the following (9:16 time mark of the video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4koTWaohZxc&feature=related ):<br />
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"Now, the remarkable thing that we noticed was that, yes we got this band here [points to the 1.462KeV] this is the only one that matched in the spectral analysis in the computer, but the secondary bands that are connected with it [points to the bands at 7.17 KeV and 6.34 KeV] were not present" And his spectrum reflects exactly what he says.<br />
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You can check what an EDS spectrum for Thulium looks like in http://www.cannonmicroprobe.com/XRay_%20Spectra.htm scroll down to find it. It looks nothing to what he shows.<br />
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The metal he shows is clearly Aluminum and not Thulium. The EDS computers, even today, get the element id wrong many times. Human intervention is required all the time for proper EDS element identification.<br />
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== Gerswin2002 said ... ==<br />
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"You can check what an EDS spectrum for Thulium looks like in http://www.cannonmicroprobe.com/XRay_%20Spectra.htm scroll down to find it. It looks nothing to what he shows." <br />
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Except for one band at presumably at 1.462KeV which I say is 1.486KeV.<br />
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Only solid, clear, and unambiguous evidence matters and not the person's credentials. Vogel DOES NOT have such evidence for Thulium. <br />
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By the way, if you have more EDS spectra presented by Vogel, I'd love to review them. Please post the links to them.<br />
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== Gerswin2002 said ... ==<br />
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Sheila,<br />
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As a matter of fact, please direct me to any posted EDS X-Ray Spectrum data collected by Vogel either in print or in video. I'm extremely interested in checking his data. I have been looking on the internet for the spectra he captured and I cannot find it.<br />
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I'm more interested in his data than in his opinions.<br />
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Thanks,<br />
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== Sheila said ... ==<br />
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Well Gerswin, the specimen contained "very pure silver and very pure aluminum, potassium, calcium, copper, argon, bromine, chlorine, iron, sulfer and silicon" and "an astonishing mixture of almost all of the elements in the periodic table". So based on that information I'm sure you'll find them all. I don't have a link. So what is your purpose in all of this? And how much experience do you have with cold fusion?<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Aloha Sheila,<br />
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I was going to spend some time doing research on Thulium, but decided you probably have a better answer to Gerswin2002 inquires which has just been demonstrated in the vast complexity of discrete elements that represents almost the entire periodic table including evidence micro-machining and indentations.<br />
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Even though if Gerswin2002 can prove that Thulium was actually Aluminum, does that ONE discrepancy invalidate the other elements that obviously are discrete in their unique characteristics bonded together Not but any heating processing (which would have destroyed their discreteness), BUT bonded by cold fusion, which is still NOT POSSIBLE by Earthly scientists!<br />
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Instead of waiting 30 plus years trying to discredit Vogel’s findings on this ONE element called Thulium, why hasn’t Gerswin2002 look into the other materials as well? Sometimes people are so obsessed on one belief or disbelief they forget to notice other things in life that keeps on evolving while they remain stagnated on this one issue in the vain hope of achieving the perfect solution. Nothing is perfect, otherwise there is no reason for creation to evolve further and that also applies to beliefs or dis beliefs.<br />
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So if Gerswin2002 wants to continue on his endeavors to prove Vogel’s findings on Thulium wrong and ignore the other more important materials that Billy and the Plejarens have brought forth, that is his prerogative and we wish him well in his efforts. I wouldn’t waste my time on something that is definitely not my problem since I’ve got better and more interesting things to do.<br />
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One thing that intrigues me about this metal specimen is what reason or reasons why it represents the entire periodic table of elements and being the hull of their spaceships which is metal, yet at the same time crystal, it must have much deeper meaning and/or purpose other than just being the outside material for their spaceships?<br />
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== Gerswin2002 said ... ==<br />
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Hawaiian and Sheila,<br />
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As a matter of fact, I also analysed the other EDS X-Ray spectrum where he claims that the sample contains many elements. This spectrum is found in http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4koTWaohZxc&feature=related at the time mark of 7:12. <br />
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Here he Vogel identifies the elements Silicon (1.740KeV), Sulfur (2.307KeV) , Iron (0.706 KeV, 6.403 KeV) and then he goes on to say that the there are many other very small elements bands and that he did not attempt to identify them. Si, S, and Fe may very well be there, but the rest of the spectrum are not element bands, but what in EDS Spectroscopy is known as Continuum Bremsstrahlung Emission. This radiation, though part of the EDS X-Ray Emission, does not contain useful information about the elements in the sample. See the references below for more info:<br />
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bremsstrahlung<br />
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/quantum/xrayc.html <br />
http://www.scribd.com/doc/31759852/7-EDS-WDS-X-Ray-Elemental-Micro-Analysis-Electron-Microscopy-and-Diffraction<br />
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So, in the mentioned EDS Spectrum, Vogel really only identifies three elements and he incorrectly interprets the continuum Bremsstrahlung emission with a whole bunch of element bands together.<br />
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This is the only EDS Spectrum produced by Vogel that I'm aware of where he tries to prove that there are many elements in the sample. If you have more evidence in the form of EDS Spectra (where he shows all the elements Sheila mentioned), I would love to see it. <br />
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== Sheila said ... ==<br />
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I agree with your comments Hawaiian and had much the same feelings as you. Gerswin is not the first and will not be the last. He refuses to state his full name and position and whether he has any patents or whether he has any experience in cold fusion (LOL, I was looking forward to his reply on that but again he never answered that question). <br />
Gerswin, why don't you try this. Get a hold of the American government and find out if you can test the metal of the craft which crashed at Roswell. Then you could test it out first hand. Let us know your results.<br />
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OK, I hereby retract all my arguments on the grounds that I do not have as many patents as Marcel Vogel nor do I have his credentials. I did not find a remove option in my account, how can I delete them?<br />
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Now, I assume we all agree that it is OK for anyone to look at the evidence. I really need more references either in print or video where Vogel's data is presented. I already have the videos Contact and The Beamship. Are there more videos of Marcel Vogel showing his EDS X-Ray spectra?<br />
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How about Vogel's notebook, the one he shows in the video? does anyobody know where this notebook is? are there digital scans of it somewhere? The Metal Alloy section of this webpage seems to concentrate more on listing Vogel's patents than on the actual evidence he presented on the subject. By the way, none of the links to his IBM patents work.<br />
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== Sheila said ... ==<br />
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Again Gerswin - for what purpose? Are you just another debunker looking for his 15 minutes of fame? Well good luck with that.<br />
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--[[User:Sheila|Sheila]] 01:16, 14 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Gerswin2002 said ... ==<br />
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Sheila. Thanks anyway, I think I got all the information that I need. I'm writing an article for The Skeptical Inquirer. When it is published, you can finally see my credentials.<br />
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For now, feel free to check my complete analysis on our website:<br />
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http://www.iigwest.com/investigations/meier/metal_analysis_deconstruction.html<br />
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By the way, if you Google "Billy Meier Metal Samples" or "Marcel Vogel Metal Samples", our website shows first.<br />
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Cheers...<br />
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== Sheila said ... ==<br />
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Well that settles it then, you really are a nobody. Oh well, hope you enjoyed your 15 minutes and have a nice life.<br />
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--[[User:Sheila|Sheila]] 05:29, 14 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Gerswin2002 said ... ==<br />
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whatever you say Sheila. But I'm first on google search. <br />
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== Gerswin2002 said ... ==<br />
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...and you are a nobody too.<br />
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== Sheila said ... ==<br />
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Gerswin, I never claimed to be "someone" like you did. And quite frankly no one really cares about your damn ego. Funny on that stupid post of yours you claim that there are metal samples on earth that have all the elements, but you fail to provide any proof of their existence. LOL<br />
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== Sheila said ... ==<br />
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Here's a little background on what's going on here:<br />
http://theyflyblog.com/breaking-iig-skeptics-retract-claims-against-meier-case%E2%80%A6again/12/10/2011<br />
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== Gerswin2002 said ... ==<br />
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Thanks for letting me know about this communication from Jack Sarlo. I will get that straighten out immediately.<br />
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== Gerswin2002 said ... ==<br />
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I totally forgot to email Jack Sarlo back letting him know about the update.<br />
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== Gerswin2002 said ... ==<br />
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"you claim that there are metal samples on earth that have all the elements"<br />
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That's not what I said, this is exactly what I say: "It is quite common to find samples in the natural world that contain a wide variety of elements in them." and I present proof of it with an EDS Scan I took myself of a plain uninteresting rock. I detected Si, Al, Fe, O, Mg, Ca, and C. If I bleach the rock, I add Cl to it; if I rub toothpaste on it, I add Flourine and Nitrogen. All those will show in the EDS Scan and I can make the sample look as though all those elements are "bonded together while preserving their own identity".<br />
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In the BEAMSHIP, Vogel shows evidence of Fe, S, Si, Ag, and Al. There is no Tm, as he claims. He incorrectly misinterpreted the Bremsstrahlung emission and I show exactly why. So far, my earthly rock has more elements than Vogel's samples. <br />
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If there is an EDS X-Ray scan taken by him where he shows all the elements of the periodic table, it is NOT in The Beamship or in Contact. I will keep looking.<br />
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== Gerswin2002 said ... ==<br />
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From your own turf:<br />
http://theyflyblog.com/breaking-iig-skeptics-retract-claims-against-meier-case%E2%80%A6again/12/10/2011/untitled-1-copy-2<br />
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This is one of your own documents people. There is it: "Thulium, remarkably, showed only the primary band spike for that element--[in bold] no secondary bands existed".<br />
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That element was Aluminum, which has no secondary bands, and NOT Thulium. Thank you Michael Horn, I was worried that I wasn't listening right to the audio in the video.<br />
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Well that's a sure sign of schizophrenia, arguing with yourself. I think you should get yourself checked out Gerswin. You have again failed to prove the existence any metal sample which contain ALL the elements. Sorry but your rock only has 7 elements or perhaps 9, if you fudge it (which you seem to be real good at). But nice try though.<br />
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== Gerswin2002 said ... ==<br />
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Well, I'm done with the analysis and reproduced Vogel's results in full with earthly samples. Now, to write my article for the Skeptical Inquirer. <br />
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It was never my intention to convince anyone here to how much you all were fooled by Meier and Vogel. Quite the contrary, the more people believe them today, the more likely my article is to be published on SI.<br />
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So, please, don't stop believing. <br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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In your own quote “Well, I'm done with the analysis and reproduced Vogel's results in full with earthly samples.”<br />
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So are you excluding the fact that Vogel has video evidence of rectangular micro machining with 90-degree angles (which never occurs in nature) surrounded by semi-circle indentations to indicate that some man-made apparatus was induced on this metal specimen?<br />
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It is obvious that you are not a scientist nor subject your “discipline” to rigid standards by discarding evidence to “suit” your own personal agenda. If Skeptical Inquirer does print your article, then it only shows how unreliable their reputations are.<br />
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At least we can say that Charles Darwin was a bonafide scientists, although he did “massage” his theory of evolution of man coming from the apes by filing down some bone fragments to make it appear there was a corresponding link between them, at least he did not throw away or exclude any other evidence as in your case. <br />
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And lastly, I’m sure you are doing this for nothing, so how much and who is paying your salary or what compensation will Skeptical Inquirer or they cohorts give you in return for your “scientific investigation”?<br />
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Vogel got and asked for nothing in doing this investigation strictly out of scientific curiosity, I’m sure he knew of the consequences of making his findings public but went ahead as any scientist would in making discoveries.<br />
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Hi Hawaiian,<br />
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" Vogel has video evidence of rectangular micro machining with 90-degree angles" <br />
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Here is the SEM micrograph shown by Vogel in The Beamship:<br />
http://www.iigwest.com/investigations/meier/Metal-Samples-Deconstruction-version2_files/image042.jpg<br />
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This is at 7:59 of the video <br />
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4koTWaohZxc&feature=related<br />
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Is this the one you are talking about? this is the only picture taken with the scanning electron microscope that he shows (all others were taken with an optical microscope), or is it? I hope you are familiar with The Beamship. <br />
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If this is not the SEM pic you talk about, please point to me on this or any other video that shows the SEM picture where what you say is shown.<br />
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BTW, I would be lucky if any of the SI editors even looks at my article.<br />
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Hawaiian,<br />
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If there is more evidence that I'm not including, absolutely let me know. I'd definitively love to see more SEM pictures and EDS X-Ray spectra from this sample taken by Vogel or anyone else.<br />
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== Gerswin2002 said ... ==<br />
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You can now see my credentials.<br />
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http://www.openminds.tv/deconstruction-of-billy-meier%E2%80%99s-metal-samples-865/<br />
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Hey Gerswin, I think you're confusing us with people who actually give a crap about who you are or who you think you are. I am so unimpressed I didn't even check your link.<br />
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Billy doesnt know...but it probaly is a e t from some where are some kind doing a Bar b Q ya think ?<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Billy just stated that these cattle manipulations are not caused by ET's but rather Earthly sources and furthermore ANY governmental classified projects will not be discussed by him or the Plejarens as it would threaten himself, the SSSC group and the mission.<br />
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Notice that the Plejarens will only comment on topics that appear to fall in this category BUT has been exposed publicly by Earthly media like in the case of remote viewing scandals, but if one studies the printed documents (books) by those that were involved, their stories appear quite differently and if applied logically to some aspects in these materials can be quite dangerous if not carefully monitored.<br />
<br />
It is the public perception that "determines" which should be filtered out as fantasy or fact and FEAR has always been the most influential parameter throughout the ages that will be overcome by logical scientific analysis which is severely lacking in today's ignorant society often dominated by religious stupidity and self-centered egos that are further eroded by subconscious manipulation technology through computer and television media.<br />
http://futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_512<br />
“The whole thing extends not only to the religions and sects, but also to the politics and economy, namely in the manner that vibration impulses are emitted by the manipulated devices and apparatuses which are taken up by the people subconsciously and influence them.”<br />
Ptaath:<br />
“Then I can talk openly thus: Zafenatpaneach explained again that on the Earth a religious-sectarian organisation works together with a certain secret service to manipulate the people via television, computers and the Internet as they wish.”<br />
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The fear of cattle manipulations by ET's and massive abductions are designed to label all things ET's and UFO’s including the Plejarens as evil. The only time it is spoken as benevolent is when it serves their sinister agendas usually within some religious content as most members absolutely FEAR the wrath of god!<br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 00:10, 16 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Sheila said ... ==<br />
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Does anyone find it strange that St. Paul is the closest town to the Cold Lake/Primrose Lake Air Weapons Range? I wonder what they're testing out there? And since the St. Paul incident I've personally heard about a cow, a bull and a horse. Here's what happened to the bull:<br />
"A few years back a friend of mine that lives 15 miles from Moose Jaw had a cattle mutilation over night.He showed me the bull the next morning.The heart was removed by a precise circular hole....no blood anywhere on the bull or beside it.The lower jaw was removed and left beside the head. It looked like the jaw was in the desert for a year ( skin cleaned off 100% ).Gotta be Aliens doing this....the vet had NO explanation."<br />
Although I don't agree with this persons assessment that it was aliens (and thank you Billy for clarifying that) it certainly gives you the heads up on the technology which will probably be forthcoming in a world war. Just like what we were warned about.<br />
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--[[User:Sheila|Sheila]] 19:02, 11 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Markvd said ... ==<br />
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Of course our humanity would try to pull off some kind of mysterious hoax to rile the public. It's in there nature for drama. If they could control that disease then they would be normal human beings. :) I don't think most have FEAR that's why things are so bad right now. Who will stop them? Who will stand in there way? What punishment will be handed down that can't be overcome by material funds? I think most are FEARLESS that's why the times are as they are. If they knew that there actions would entail great punishment then they might.............. change there minds about being so forceful in nature. <br />
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--[[User:Markvd|Markvd]] 19:28, 11 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Sheila said ... ==<br />
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Hi Mark, I agree and that's why I've posted this so everyone will know that Cold Lake/Primrose Lake Air Weapons Range is the source of cattle mutilations in western Canada. It doesn't hurt to shine the light on those who have no fear. As far as the public being riled up about this, no it's only a handful of farmers who have gotten no answers from either veterinarians or police. And their voices are so small they can't be heard, which of course was the intention of targeting farmers. Now if they were to do this on a celebrities prized poodle, you might get results.<br />
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--[[User:Sheila|Sheila]] 01:48, 13 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Markvd said ... ==<br />
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Thanks for the update Sheila, I guess it's better they utilize it on cattle rather than humans. Do they have to do it in the open, couldn't they capture a cow and unleash there furious weapons indoors? Those kinds of experiments are clumsily handled or they don't know the enormity of the destructive projects and how to contain it. Either way they need to be more careful here, think miniature scale instead of out of the ballpark city or country size.:)<br />
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--[[User:Markvd|Markvd]] 10:38, 13 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Sheila said ... ==<br />
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Hi Mark, I would think the reason they test their weapons out on random animals is so they can test out their stealth abilities. But what a sick bunch of humans they are. They lasered the cows udder right off and it was still nursing a calf. They lasered the horse's penis right off. And of course the bull's heart. Imagine the sick parties they have using those as props. All three apparently died of natural causes. As we all know, testing of any kind always STARTS with animals...<br />
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--[[User:Sheila|Sheila]] 00:39, 14 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
</div></div>Sheilahttps://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/w/index.php?title=Talk:Cattle_Mutilations&diff=17927Talk:Cattle Mutilations2012-01-13T01:48:12Z<p>Sheila: Comment provided by Sheila - via ArticleComments extension</p>
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Billy doesnt know...but it probaly is a e t from some where are some kind doing a Bar b Q ya think ?<br />
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--[[User:Mrnorm|Mrnorm]] 18:32, 15 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Billy just stated that these cattle manipulations are not caused by ET's but rather Earthly sources and furthermore ANY governmental classified projects will not be discussed by him or the Plejarens as it would threaten himself, the SSSC group and the mission.<br />
<br />
Notice that the Plejarens will only comment on topics that appear to fall in this category BUT has been exposed publicly by Earthly media like in the case of remote viewing scandals, but if one studies the printed documents (books) by those that were involved, their stories appear quite differently and if applied logically to some aspects in these materials can be quite dangerous if not carefully monitored.<br />
<br />
It is the public perception that "determines" which should be filtered out as fantasy or fact and FEAR has always been the most influential parameter throughout the ages that will be overcome by logical scientific analysis which is severely lacking in today's ignorant society often dominated by religious stupidity and self-centered egos that are further eroded by subconscious manipulation technology through computer and television media.<br />
http://futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_512<br />
“The whole thing extends not only to the religions and sects, but also to the politics and economy, namely in the manner that vibration impulses are emitted by the manipulated devices and apparatuses which are taken up by the people subconsciously and influence them.”<br />
Ptaath:<br />
“Then I can talk openly thus: Zafenatpaneach explained again that on the Earth a religious-sectarian organisation works together with a certain secret service to manipulate the people via television, computers and the Internet as they wish.”<br />
<br />
The fear of cattle manipulations by ET's and massive abductions are designed to label all things ET's and UFO’s including the Plejarens as evil. The only time it is spoken as benevolent is when it serves their sinister agendas usually within some religious content as most members absolutely FEAR the wrath of god!<br />
<br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 00:10, 16 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Sheila said ... ==<br />
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Does anyone find it strange that St. Paul is the closest town to the Cold Lake/Primrose Lake Air Weapons Range? I wonder what they're testing out there? And since the St. Paul incident I've personally heard about a cow, a bull and a horse. Here's what happened to the bull:<br />
"A few years back a friend of mine that lives 15 miles from Moose Jaw had a cattle mutilation over night.He showed me the bull the next morning.The heart was removed by a precise circular hole....no blood anywhere on the bull or beside it.The lower jaw was removed and left beside the head. It looked like the jaw was in the desert for a year ( skin cleaned off 100% ).Gotta be Aliens doing this....the vet had NO explanation."<br />
Although I don't agree with this persons assessment that it was aliens (and thank you Billy for clarifying that) it certainly gives you the heads up on the technology which will probably be forthcoming in a world war. Just like what we were warned about.<br />
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--[[User:Sheila|Sheila]] 19:02, 11 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Markvd said ... ==<br />
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Of course our humanity would try to pull off some kind of mysterious hoax to rile the public. It's in there nature for drama. If they could control that disease then they would be normal human beings. :) I don't think most have FEAR that's why things are so bad right now. Who will stop them? Who will stand in there way? What punishment will be handed down that can't be overcome by material funds? I think most are FEARLESS that's why the times are as they are. If they knew that there actions would entail great punishment then they might.............. change there minds about being so forceful in nature. <br />
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--[[User:Markvd|Markvd]] 19:28, 11 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Sheila said ... ==<br />
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Hi Mark, I agree and that's why I've posted this so everyone will know that Cold Lake/Primrose Lake Air Weapons Range is the source of cattle mutilations in western Canada. It doesn't hurt to shine the light on those who have no fear. As far as the public being riled up about this, no it's only a handful of farmers who have gotten no answers from either veterinarians or police. And their voices are so small they can't be heard, which of course was the intention of targeting farmers. Now if they were to do this on a celebrities prized poodle, you might get results.<br />
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--[[User:Sheila|Sheila]] 01:48, 13 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
</div></div>Sheilahttps://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/w/index.php?title=Talk:Cattle_Mutilations&diff=17910Talk:Cattle Mutilations2012-01-11T19:02:13Z<p>Sheila: Comment provided by Sheila - via ArticleComments extension</p>
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Billy doesnt know...but it probaly is a e t from some where are some kind doing a Bar b Q ya think ?<br />
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--[[User:Mrnorm|Mrnorm]] 18:32, 15 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Billy just stated that these cattle manipulations are not caused by ET's but rather Earthly sources and furthermore ANY governmental classified projects will not be discussed by him or the Plejarens as it would threaten himself, the SSSC group and the mission.<br />
<br />
Notice that the Plejarens will only comment on topics that appear to fall in this category BUT has been exposed publicly by Earthly media like in the case of remote viewing scandals, but if one studies the printed documents (books) by those that were involved, their stories appear quite differently and if applied logically to some aspects in these materials can be quite dangerous if not carefully monitored.<br />
<br />
It is the public perception that "determines" which should be filtered out as fantasy or fact and FEAR has always been the most influential parameter throughout the ages that will be overcome by logical scientific analysis which is severely lacking in today's ignorant society often dominated by religious stupidity and self-centered egos that are further eroded by subconscious manipulation technology through computer and television media.<br />
http://futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_512<br />
“The whole thing extends not only to the religions and sects, but also to the politics and economy, namely in the manner that vibration impulses are emitted by the manipulated devices and apparatuses which are taken up by the people subconsciously and influence them.”<br />
Ptaath:<br />
“Then I can talk openly thus: Zafenatpaneach explained again that on the Earth a religious-sectarian organisation works together with a certain secret service to manipulate the people via television, computers and the Internet as they wish.”<br />
<br />
The fear of cattle manipulations by ET's and massive abductions are designed to label all things ET's and UFO’s including the Plejarens as evil. The only time it is spoken as benevolent is when it serves their sinister agendas usually within some religious content as most members absolutely FEAR the wrath of god!<br />
<br />
<br />
--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 00:10, 16 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Sheila said ... ==<br />
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Does anyone find it strange that St. Paul is the closest town to the Cold Lake/Primrose Lake Air Weapons Range? I wonder what they're testing out there? And since the St. Paul incident I've personally heard about a cow, a bull and a horse. Here's what happened to the bull:<br />
"A few years back a friend of mine that lives 15 miles from Moose Jaw had a cattle mutilation over night.He showed me the bull the next morning.The heart was removed by a precise circular hole....no blood anywhere on the bull or beside it.The lower jaw was removed and left beside the head. It looked like the jaw was in the desert for a year ( skin cleaned off 100% ).Gotta be Aliens doing this....the vet had NO explanation."<br />
Although I don't agree with this persons assessment that it was aliens (and thank you Billy for clarifying that) it certainly gives you the heads up on the technology which will probably be forthcoming in a world war. Just like what we were warned about.<br />
<br />
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--[[User:Sheila|Sheila]] 19:02, 11 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
</div></div>Sheilahttps://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/w/index.php?title=Talk:Interview_with_Billy_(2011)&diff=17882Talk:Interview with Billy (2011)2012-01-07T20:58:59Z<p>Sheila: Comment provided by Sheila - via ArticleComments extension</p>
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== Markvd said ... ==<br />
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I have learned that there is a very special 11 year old girl multiplied many times and that we carry over in a sense traits we have learned to a certain degree. I suggest everyone list down there worst traits and improve upon them to head down a more stable and creative path, rather than a barbaric destructive path. :) Thanks once again 2011 edition BEAM contribution. <br />
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--[[User:Markvd|Markvd]] 19:23, 19 November 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Markvd said ... ==<br />
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I just noticed someone is cheating in terms of life on Earth all fingers pointed to "GILGAMESH" j/k <br />
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--[[User:Markvd|Markvd]] 19:37, 19 November 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Sheila said ... ==<br />
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Hi Mark, along with the worst traits one should also write down their best ones to keep a balanced perspective. Also very important to forgive those that you feel have wronged you as chances are they did not realize what they had done.<br />
I've always felt my essence was Justice - and that's probably why I called the corporal a liar, because he was one. But I've forgiven him because he's only human and only wanted to protect his fellow officers kids from being charged with a crime. I've even forgiven his fellow officer for following me to work to try and intimidate me. It's been a hard road standing up for what is right but well worth it.<br />
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--[[User:Sheila|Sheila]] 19:57, 19 November 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Markvd said ... ==<br />
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I am going to avoid helping single individuals from now on and try and come up with a larger strategy to help all of mankind instead. I do not feel humanity at this time has shown enough to warrant effort, they must find there own path in order to really understand their own unique spirit. Many lifetimes from now they will get better but best to avoid them when they are at there worst. <br />
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--[[User:Markvd|Markvd]] 23:04, 19 November 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Markvd said ... ==<br />
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People are aware of what they do, it is if they choose not to do it to others because they are advanced enough to know right from wrong. It is true every lifetime is different but once they do something incorrect it is very hard to forget it because it remains until they pass on once again to the next life. People must be very careful and cautious when acting because people will see them for who they really are and it is in most cases not a pleasant site to see. <br />
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--[[User:Markvd|Markvd]] 23:10, 19 November 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Leandro from Argentina said ... ==<br />
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Hi I'm Leandro, I wonder if the pagan religions or ethnic continue to exist<br />
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--[[User:Leandro from Argentina|Leandro from Argentina]] 19:18, 23 November 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Zameen said ... ==<br />
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James- it looks like knaves have invaded this site again. uuugghhh!!<br />
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--[[User:Zameen|Zameen]] 22:01, 23 November 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Zameen,<br />
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Yeah, seems like "they" are getting more creative, but still appear with rather "odd" naming conventions.<br />
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Markvd,<br />
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That 11 year old Plejaren girl has been properly nurtured in an environment well suited for educational as well as evolutionary development. Gilgamesh's biological attributes have been altered for extra long life cycles.<br />
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Earthly humans are the same as other humans, however because their life cycles and other attributes have been tampered with, they must fulfill creational evolution requirements on a much disadvantaged scale, being bio-electrical-magnetic in nature with a psyche as other entities are, Earth humans have a capacity to catch up, if the environment to do so becomes condusive for development.<br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 22:44, 23 November 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Sheila said ... ==<br />
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Hi Leandro, it is best to lose all religious dogmas and indoctrinations. Must be tough to live in Argentina where most are catholic? There are parts of some ethnic/pagan beliefs that come close to the truth. But close ain't good enough! And if they are beliefs and you want a true picture, it's better if you lose all your pre-conceived notions.<br />
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--[[User:Sheila|Sheila]] 01:27, 24 November 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== debbie said ... ==<br />
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I have watched that interview on utube. It was great to see billy,he looks great! I thought they were very well thought of questions to ask Billy and it is really a credit to the children that they thought of these questions,well done guys :) 'Billy for kids' is a really great site, filled with great information that appeals to the younger<br />
with some very cool fun stuff to do,such as flying the beamship,must admit even mum and dad like do have a go at that ! LOL. Our 10 year old daughter likes to go to 'Billy for kids' and read the stories etc.. and fly the ships. Thanks for all the hard work for making such a great site for the kids!! <br />
Love and Peace to all :) <br />
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--[[User:Cupnsaucer|Cupnsaucer]] 20:27, 1 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Markvd said ... ==<br />
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I disagree Hawaiian if there are people that can maintain high moral values in a world such as ours success is possible but trying to "manipulate" situations as you are trying to accomplish does not help that case. :)<br />
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--[[User:Markvd|Markvd]] 22:32, 1 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Markvd,<br />
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The problem with the vast majority of people on Earth and unfortunately also on websites of this nature is that they do not utilize their true potentials in addressing both their spiritual development and environments through more than a three-dimensional prospective.<br />
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Meaning that one needs to view both their material and non-material environments and logically deduce the fact that because humans are so very familiar throughout the universes in these attributes including the fact that we are all biological-electrical-magnetic beings with a psyche that is encapsulated by a non-material spiritual force, similar in nature to a electrical CAPACITOR that stores and discharges energy it utilizes from these sources.<br />
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It is this capacity or potential to store both material and non-material energy in line with creational endeavors that determines to what degree one spiritually evolves. Stagnation occurs for everyone when the malevolent abuses the benevolent residing in the same environment. Therefore you have the former DNA manipulated ageing gene factor contamination which limits this capacity to 100 years in contrast to natural life cycles of other humans averaging around 1007 years, which is a 10 to 1 disadvantage to gain knowledge and experiences for the proper spiritual evolution.<br />
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The only way to resolve this discrepancy is to either scientifically deactivate this ageing genes and/or remove the malevolent ones as in the case of the Giza Intelligences so that the benevolent ones can now have an environment to evolve spiritually in the correct format. As also during Jmmanuel period, it was the Jewish leaders who stained the rest of their followers by persecuting the 5th prophet and getting away with it. Had some action taken place then, maybe history would have been kinder to their present day public opinion?<br />
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I take Billy’s suggestion to “act in the present” a step further and suggest we apply such measures to resolve what was done later, which should have been done earlier as in the case of removing those SOB’s, the Giza Intelligences in 1978. Had it been done much earlier, the world would certainly be a different place today instead of being influenced by religious contamination for another 200 or more years.<br />
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This is only one of many examples that if properly intervened to correct these evil events from occurring in the interest of the spiritual evolution for those following creational endeavors amongst the mist of these occurrences (environment) in a TIMELY manner, then evolution will be maintained for both ends of the positive and negative spiritual spectrum. For example we all know what happened to the millions, if not billions of lives loss when that insane IHWH-HATA translated as “Eye of God”, the Ring Nebula of Lyra was destroyed by some egomaniac IHWH.<br />
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We also have many such events to a lesser degree and some to the same magnitude but prevented by the Plejarens both included the use of nuclear weapons or research experimentation. History has repeated itself throughout the DERN universe and will continue on Earth as well unless a more humane approach is utilized.<br />
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That is to prevent any more catastrophes from occurring by offering spiritual growth or stagnation of different paths in regards to evolution without the possibility of the destruction of both particular parties who apparently co-exists on the same planet, but usually at the expense of those who endeavor creational methods. Thus, if one chooses through their own free will to become a parasitic SOB who engages in uncreational behaviors like greed, lust of power, enjoyment of seeing others suffer or belittled, actions that stimulate the lower primal animalistic part of their brain and not the higher functional areas like the Colliculus Superior, where the spirit resides, then people of these degenerative nature should be afforded either removal or incarnation to a planet where it is compatible in regards to this level of stagnated evolution which will most likely not be technologically advanced as to become a danger to the general population or other planet system. <br />
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What will happen to their former personalities is of no concern to me and should be suspended indefinitely until the damage it has caused to others are rectified by the victims own quest for spiritual evolution until the “Equational Potential Formulations” are now equal or in equilibrium status from all the previous interferences/abuses done by the malevolent ones.<br />
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Therefore, no manipulation has occurred just a balancing act of measures so that the necessary options are applied in the interest of all parties concerned who will continue down the path they choose through their own free will without endangering others or preventing them from realizing their true potentials. Such potentials can be verified by the Plejaren technology in analyzing one’s pass personalities and other pertinent information of thought registration and prediction along with future time period potentials of the Cause and Effect principle.<br />
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The creator overlords have done the ageing gene manipulation and benefited immensely from such acts while we have and continue to suffer its effects to this day. They may still harbor the intent to enact revenge and exterminate everyone on Earth, as it is their form of “appreciation” which distinguishes what higher forms of intelligences are supposed to be? There could even be some spiritual incarnation of less than desirable personality traits presently amongst us (the one that persecuted Jmmanuel is the same spirit form incarnated in the one that tried to kill Billy).<br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 01:52, 2 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Markvd said ... ==<br />
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You should not evaluate things in terms of higher or greater than, rather who acts and is genuinely direct in there purpose. I don't care who or what name or title they may carry all are the same to me unless of course they have disengeniouse intent. like some. :)<br />
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--[[User:Markvd|Markvd]] 06:53, 2 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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That's the biggest problem with the vast majority of Earth-bound people, including most on this website and the USA FIGU also, they limit and restrict their thinking and not encompass the entire spectrum of events leading up to the present day situations.<br />
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What is fair and humane justice if not acted on accordingly in due time, delayed action is delayed justice, the equalibrium status between the negative and positive forces are supposed to be equally balanced, not skewed for any extended period of time because of non-compliance by the forces that have the power to do so.<br />
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If one cannot or will not see this whole spectrum of events, especially so if it affects them directly are being ignorant to the fact they will not demand justice have no one else to blame but themselves.<br />
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As Billy says is so very true "we are all connected" and that includes the Plejarens and all others co-created by Nokodemjon himself. To say we have no right to make these connections from the lowest to highest is not creational, since creation is the process of merging not separation and that includes justice as well.<br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 21:15, 2 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Spockstar1 said ... ==<br />
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thought never dies but enters into a plasma form then is dicarded into small particles which turn into food<br />
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== Spockstar1 said ... ==<br />
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life is the most important thing next to having feelings . Death may be sweet to some but it is only a dispersion of your elements into hopefully something more interesting or worthfull<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Thoughts are not generated into some type of plasma, (but can be technically integrated symbiotically) nor discarded or turned into food because how can fine energy be consumed as material energy are?<br />
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Death is the degradation of the material body, but the spirit lives on to re-incarnate into the next living person until the spirit evolves to a point it no longer needs a material body to incarnate in, thus it becomes purely non-material energy. Thoughts, feelings are all stored as experiences and knowledge that are part of the spirit’s evolutionary process to be merged with other spirits of equal evolution and universes, that is how evolution works.<br />
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From a single drop in a vast ocean of water, although many will feel as insignificant individual human being when compared to a universe, it finally merged as ONE with Creation in the Absolute Absolutum to create more things and has exactly the same components in the form of a spirit, a non-material energy and most importantly, the experiences and knowledge Creation needs for further evolution.<br />
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Negative energies are the results of stagnated spirits, which will not be merged with evolving spirits when the universe transforms from a material to purely spiritual one. What happens to these spirits when that happens is for higher intelligences to ponder on, however there are options to address this problem immediately through the E.P.F.<br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 04:51, 14 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== BraveKnight said ... ==<br />
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Well said, Billy. Now, if only the ignorant, degenerated ones can take hold of their own lives in a responsible manner. Its all too easy for the un-knowing to sit back and waste their entire life away while allowing cult-religious hog-wash lead the way over the hills, valleys and mountain tops through the badlands of erroneous non-sense to the city of nowhere. In sharp contrast to this process of non-thinking, non-acting, non-developing and non-evolving degenerative style of serfdom is the salvation of reality. The truth, of which I am fortunate enough to be knowing quite well, thanks to my man Billy and the Plejaren, is that in which the knowledge of what exists in reality is made certain. I am quite surprised in this day and age, as it relates to the intellectual development of the Earth human, that the majority are still victims and prisoners of a self-inflicted delusion. And it is this I am quite sure that is very basic for people of any planet in any stage of development, even that of the caveman, that one should well enough be aware of the simple fact reality is what reality is and it does not need foolish Earth humans to assume that reality is whatever they find convenient according to personal preference or matter of opinion, reality is made a mockery of in this way. It is shockingly incomprehensible to me the way my fellow brothers and sisters here on this glorious and wonderfully arranged natural planet can be so dim-witted and oblivious to things of a very basic and fundamental nature. Its extremely embarrassing when I think of the way we are viewed upon by other intelligent humans in the universe as a model of a planet whose people that lived there couldnt be any more degenerated or delusional and actually reach the limit of the definition of degenerated and delusional. I dont see any way possible that this world is gonna snap out of this madness on their own and this planet and all of its inhabitants are doomed to suffer the consequences of self-destruction on the back of another world war or this over-populated planet is gonna release enough methane into the air from all the global warming as a result of all the pollution and too many people and the raping of this planet's natural resources to the point that the ozone layer, or whats left of it, is going to start to let in radiation from our sun and then everyone will die a horrible death that way. Myself, personally, I dont have faith or hope or beliefs of any sort. I am knowing of the truth and striving to comprehend the aspects of life and reality in general and if theres one thing I am certain of it is that without the direct intervention of the Plejaren in some manner or in some way, this planet is never gonna make it and mankind on Earth will be called to account for his evil, ignorant foolishness. <br />
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== Navneet from India said ... ==<br />
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Q:-"Here on Earth there are various religions, different gods, many more in Hinduism. What about God and the gods?"<br />
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Unfortunate that people from west still hold a rather bleak outlook when it comes to oriental religions. <br />
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I am rather sorry to say that you have a rather limited knowledge of Hinduism, which always seems to be a matter of ridicule for you due to so many different Gods. Hinduism is one of the few religions that talk of the concept of Brahman - the supreme consciousness that Mr. Billy Meier so dearly holds as a teaching to the earthlings. What do you say of the Vedas (of whatever form it has been transmitted to present day and not withstanding the ritualistic portions of it)? Mr. Meier, your teachings are an exact replica of what appears in them - consciousness that is formless, has no beginning and end, resides in oneself as its attribute whole and so on. It is also said that the ancient seers of India saw through the fact that it is difficult to make mere mortal humans understand the concept of a formless, infinite creation and hence "good" attributes were ascribed to various "god-like" "forms" to make them atleast resemble a form, which will still be creation according to your own teachings, because creation is all encompassing. And Hindusm never said you will be punished if you dont worship the God forms. It said, you worship if you want to concentrate on improving an attribute of your personal well being. For example, Hindu people worship Ganesha, who is considered God of Knowledge. Yes, they may be "asking" for favours when they pray, but deep down, they also get to concentrate an aspect they would wanted improved within self (knowledge in this case). Thus, they are using idol worship as a tool for self improvement of certain attributes.<br />
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It is rather sad that though the Plejarin JHWHs were the ones who kept on getting the prophets to Earth time an again, religions were formed invariably around these figures, including Jmmanuel, Prophet Mohammed and Buddists, no matter how good their intentions were. Thus, the plejarin focus on banishing/criticising idolatory through Mohammad had its effect in the ethnic cleansing of so many cultures with rich traditions. Can I attribute this to Plejarins? Ofcourse, they would call me a fool for they will say "Earth man is responsible for his owm actions, through religious sectarianism and barbarianism". But how different are they? Their consciuosness may be more developed than us, but their immaturity is still the same as ours, the earthlings. Remember your story of Plejarin lady helping Merlin with the Sword of Excalibur (not so long ago for a race of humans living 500 years and up)<br />
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The point for your Plejarin friends is this, no matter which prophet comes on Earth through JHWH, there will be religious cults formed around them, including yours Mr. Meier. and the problem with all these religious cults is, intolerance and apathy towards others. Just as your Plejarin friends which seem to claim -" Please do this, everything else is wrong, and this is the only way". All human beings (Pleja or Terra) need space/freedom of their own expression. I am pretty sure Asket follows a different set of tenets than Semjase or Ptaah. <br />
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I hope your Plejarin friends read this.<br />
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== navneettn said ... ==<br />
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Q:-"Here on Earth there are various religions, different gods, many more in Hinduism. What about God and the gods?"<br />
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Unfortunate that people from west still hold a rather bleak outlook when it comes to oriental religions. <br />
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I am rather sorry to say that you have a rather limited knowledge of Hinduism, which always seems to be a matter of ridicule for you due to so many different Gods. Hinduism is one of the few religions that talk of the concept of Brahman - the supreme consciousness that Mr. Billy Meier so dearly holds as a teaching to the earthlings. What do you say of the Vedas (of whatever form it has been transmitted to present day and not withstanding the ritualistic portions of it)? Mr. Meier, your teachings are an exact replica of what appears in them - consciousness that is formless, has no beginning and end, resides in oneself as its attribute whole and so on. It is also said that the ancient seers of India saw through the fact that it is difficult to make mere mortal humans understand the concept of a formless, infinite creation and hence "good" attributes were ascribed to various "god-like" "forms" to make them atleast resemble a form, which will still be creation according to your own teachings, because creation is all encompassing. And Hindusm never said you will be punished if you dont worship the God forms. It said, you worship if you want to concentrate on improving an attribute of your personal well being. For example, Hindu people worship Ganesha, who is considered God of Knowledge. Yes, they may be "asking" for favours when they pray, but deep down, they also get to concentrate an aspect they would wanted improved within self (knowledge in this case). Thus, they are using idol worship as a tool for self improvement of certain attributes.<br />
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It is rather sad that though the Plejarin JHWHs were the ones who kept on getting the prophets to Earth time an again, religions were formed invariably around these figures, including Jmmanuel, Prophet Mohammed and Buddists, no matter how good their intentions were. Thus, the plejarin focus on banishing/criticising idolatory through Mohammad had its effect in the ethnic cleansing of so many cultures with rich traditions. Can I attribute this to Plejarins? Ofcourse, they would call me a fool for they will say "Earth man is responsible for his owm actions, through religious sectarianism and barbarianism". But how different are they? Their consciuosness may be more developed than us, but their immaturity is still the same as ours, the earthlings. Remember your story of Plejarin lady helping Merlin with the Sword of Excalibur (not so long ago for a race of humans living 500 years and up)<br />
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The point for your Plejarin friends is this, no matter which prophet comes on Earth through JHWH, there will be religious cults formed around them, including yours Mr. Meier. and the problem with all these religious cults is, intolerance and apathy towards others. Just as your Plejarin friends which seem to claim -" Please do this, everything else is wrong, and this is the only way". All human beings (Pleja or Terra) need space/freedom of their own expression. I am pretty sure Asket follows a different set of tenets than Semjase or Ptaah. <br />
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I hope your Plejarin friends read this.<br />
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--[[User:Navneettn|Navneettn]] 15:02, 2 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Markvd said ... ==<br />
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Religions are very tough to follow because everyone that follows them tends to stray from the laws of creation. You have good points Navneet but I am guessing there are offshoot religions that copy religions in order to maintain and control people's minds, how can that be freedom when the development of consciosness is the ultimate goal of development of all thinking beings. In India they seem rather peaceful but they are overpopulating faster than madmen and have more wives than each male can count. :) I call that irresponsible in my point ov view. <br />
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== Navneettn said ... ==<br />
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Dear Markvd,<br />
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Thank you for your response. Again, I would like to reply to some comments of yours.<br />
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"I am guessing there are offshoot religions that copy religions in order to maintain and control people's minds, how can that be freedom when the development of consciosness is the ultimate goal of development of all thinking beings. "<br />
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I can tell you that Hinduism is perhaps the only religion in the world that allows Atheism. In fact, you have the freedom to follow your own beliefs or disbelief. The ultimate goal was still to percieve the supreme consciousness. If you believed that one's method of faith or non-faith would lead to the ultimate supreme, it was left entirely upon you. Ofcourse, over the period of millenia, idol worship and rituals took some centre stage through the high priests, sad, but it was expected. However, the openness continued. Even to this day, no body looks you down in the Hindu society if you refuse to pray to one God/Gods or enter the temple. These views are infact respected as the free will or choice of the individual and the thought process is "Fine, it this works for you to reach the ultimate truth, very well- We respect it". <br />
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Now coming on the point of population explosion, I agree with you, but I also consider your view a bit dogmatic and irresponsible when you say "In India they seem rather peaceful but they are overpopulating faster than madmen and have more wives than each male can count." <br />
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This is so because you belief of each male having more wives in India is medieval at best. We are not some Arabian camel grazing country where such things may be state sponsored. In fact, the Hindu marriage act bans polygamy (unfortunate that this has not been extended to Muslims in India as a uniform law due to the hunger of politicians for votes). In fact, the urban Indian society (Hindus, Muslims and Christians) have no more than 2 children (which is infact further going down to only 1 child in urban centres voluntarily). Urban centres are fast increasing due to migration with now nearly 40% of Indian population contributed by Metros. You can see that things are changing, and even the state goverments are giving incentives to rural India for less children (like rules of barring village headmen to get elected if they have more than 2 children, reduction of some perks for government employees with more than 2 etc.). I believe these are positive steps. <br />
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I sincerely hope that all of people here and FIGU and Plejarin shed their "BIASES" and "DOGMAS" about others that they know little. After all, we are all humans and to "judge" someone with sweeping conclusions is the worst thing you can do to an individual.<br />
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== Markvd said ... ==<br />
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It is actually fact males in India have more wives thus the highest population singularly in the world toppling China in that regard. That is not a bias or dogma filled remark, it is truth. I am not saying Hinduism is to blame, but I think that they use religion so they can get away with many criminal elements that do not follow the laws of creation. If you are a peaceful person that has less than 2 children I wish you well. :)<br />
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== Navneettn said ... ==<br />
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Markvd, thank you again for your reply and wishing me well, I wish you the same. <br />
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But please, improve your General Knowledge about the world affairs Markvd. Your statement has no basis:-"It is actually fact males in India have more wives thus the highest population singularly in the world toppling China in that regard."<br />
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I dont you from where you got that "fact". India is still trailing China in its population at this moment (check the latest figures). AND the 2011 census of India states that the sex ratio in India is 940 females : 1000 males. Your "fact" falls right there. <br />
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Hi Navneettn, I think the biggest problem I have is the Hindu caste system. Could you honestly say that if Billy Meier were born into a family of poor farmers in India, that he would have the same chance as he does now in his current incarnation? Maybe the spiritual teachings of Billy Meier are a continuation of the Vedas with needed changes?<br />
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== Navneettn said ... ==<br />
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Dear Sheila,<br />
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Thank you for your comments. Ignorance is the biggest enemy of human society. Be it in the terms of "Creation" or even worldly facts. I am astonished by the authority with which people criticise others without even having done a preliminary study.I agree that Caste system has been a glaring problem for over a century for India. But know this, that Hinduism and Caste system are totally unrelated terms. Caste system was a societal system put in by administrators of the yore, and it was more mobile than what it is now actually. The concept of "untouchability" itself is hardly 500 years old or so. Vedas never preached untouchability and it never needed any changes. The message is clear. It is about Creation and Creation alone. Believe me, there is not an iota of differene of what Mr. Meier is saying and what Vedas say. It's good that atleast these teachings about the Creation are reaching the West through him. But to claim that his teachings as a discovery in the new world is totally false.<br />
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Now coming on the point of how, if Meier were one of the low caste people of India could ever get a chance to preach his teachings? I will give you names of people who have exactly done that. Read about Mata Amritanandamayi. She was born untouchable. She is accepted all over the world as a renowned spiritual Guru. SHE DOES NOT KNOW ANY LANGUAGE OTHER THAN HER LOCAL ONE (MALAYALAM), SHE IS A DARK FAT LADY AND THE WAY SHE BLESSES PEOPLE IS BY HUGGING. Another example for you is Sri Narayana Guru, born to the Ezhava untouchable household. He is revered as a spiritual guru amongst all classes of Hindus. So are medieval personalities in India like Kabir (famous as a saint writing couplets about creation) and ancient seers like Valmiki (a tribal hunter) who attained realization and in fact became a guru to "high caste" students and Rama, who is also considered an important figure. <br />
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So please, I request all of you here making sweeping conclusions, I request you to sharpen your minds and read things up. Marginalization has existed in all regions of the world. But to link it to religions is not true. You have to link it to institutions that administered the religions (Churches, Clergy etc.). Take in that spirit.<br />
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== Sheila said ... ==<br />
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So my big sweeping conclusion is that currently in India there is only ONE person who MAY fit that description. Only one person in a population of 1.17 billion? That's all you could come up with other than those that have already passed? I guess that answers my question that Billy would not have had a chance if born in India. <br />
I looked Mata Amritanandamayi up on wiki and this pretty much says it all "'It was not permissible for a 14-year-old girl to touch others, especially men." I'm sure glad I've never had that type of restriction, I've been able to hug whomever I wanted to, at all ages of my life. Human touch is the most basic instinct but the Hindu religion restricts that? Do men have the same restrictions against them? <br />
I've always been leary of so called charitable organizations as it's well documented that the majority of the money usually goes to administration. But you are correct, I like to marginalize all religions especially those which don't like to link their religion to current interpretations of such. So what is your purpose? To prove that Hinduism is better than all the rest? Because I'm not buying that.<br />
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== Navneettn said ... ==<br />
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Dear Sheila,<br />
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Why are you so riled up? I always knew that's what people from the west would end up at. Reinforcing their biases. Not a word was uttered by me in the entire conversation of these threads in which I claimed that Hinduism is supreme. In fact, I was trying to explain to the original question in the interview to Billy about Hinduism having so many Gods. If you read the entirty of posts written by me, I was all along trying to explain my religion which Meier himself has failed (I dont see any mention of Hinduism, specifically old Vedic tradition in the entirety of the FIGU organization). I had very high hopes of a spiritual discussion on this forum. But all I see if people trying to just reinforce their biases. Just for the record, I dont believe in any one of the 30 million Gods that Hindus are said to revere. Am I an athiest then? No, I am still a Hindu as per Hinduism because I may choose whichever may I want to and ultimately I will still attain the truth, sooner or later. I believe only in Creation, which we in Hinduism call "Brahmann" and meditate. Regarding Amma Amritanandamayi, yes, there is only ONE person in 1.17 Billion, just as there is ONLY ONE Meier out of 6.8 billion people in this world. As per Plejaren, there are only 5 living on Earth at the moment. Is Amma one of those 5? That's something I dont know.<br />
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Alas, my quest for a more meaning discussion on spiritualism and theology stands unfulfilled. Best regards to everyone on this forum. I wish you all well.<br />
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== Sheila said ... ==<br />
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Funny that people from the east assume that when a woman speaks her mind, she is somehow riled up. Well sorry to disappoint you Navneettn, but I'm not riled up, but thanks for reinforcing your own bias. Also thank you for answering my question, that it doesn't matter what you learn, your religion will always be Hindu. Maybe the Vedas did know a lot more about creation than most religions but they still chose to use ritual sacrifice and it was obvious from your previous post you don't agree with that but you continue to defend Hinduism and its perfection even when you know that it's not perfect. You want us to know about Hinduism but refuse any criticism of it because we are ignorant? How can we have a meaningful conversation if you've only come here to tell us how the Vedic tradition is older than Billy's teachings and doesn't need any updates. So how are you any different than anyone else who believes in their religion as the right one, who chooses to cherry pick the stuff they like and disregard the stuff they don't like? I feel that if a religion is not teaching ALL truth, then they don't have the monopoly on the truth. I hope Hinduism works out for you and good luck in your search.<br />
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--[[User:Sheila|Sheila]] 20:58, 7 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Markvd said ... ==<br />
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I have learned that there is a very special 11 year old girl multiplied many times and that we carry over in a sense traits we have learned to a certain degree. I suggest everyone list down there worst traits and improve upon them to head down a more stable and creative path, rather than a barbaric destructive path. :) Thanks once again 2011 edition BEAM contribution. <br />
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== Markvd said ... ==<br />
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I just noticed someone is cheating in terms of life on Earth all fingers pointed to "GILGAMESH" j/k <br />
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== Sheila said ... ==<br />
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Hi Mark, along with the worst traits one should also write down their best ones to keep a balanced perspective. Also very important to forgive those that you feel have wronged you as chances are they did not realize what they had done.<br />
I've always felt my essence was Justice - and that's probably why I called the corporal a liar, because he was one. But I've forgiven him because he's only human and only wanted to protect his fellow officers kids from being charged with a crime. I've even forgiven his fellow officer for following me to work to try and intimidate me. It's been a hard road standing up for what is right but well worth it.<br />
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== Markvd said ... ==<br />
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I am going to avoid helping single individuals from now on and try and come up with a larger strategy to help all of mankind instead. I do not feel humanity at this time has shown enough to warrant effort, they must find there own path in order to really understand their own unique spirit. Many lifetimes from now they will get better but best to avoid them when they are at there worst. <br />
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== Markvd said ... ==<br />
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People are aware of what they do, it is if they choose not to do it to others because they are advanced enough to know right from wrong. It is true every lifetime is different but once they do something incorrect it is very hard to forget it because it remains until they pass on once again to the next life. People must be very careful and cautious when acting because people will see them for who they really are and it is in most cases not a pleasant site to see. <br />
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== Leandro from Argentina said ... ==<br />
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Hi I'm Leandro, I wonder if the pagan religions or ethnic continue to exist<br />
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--[[User:Leandro from Argentina|Leandro from Argentina]] 19:18, 23 November 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Zameen said ... ==<br />
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James- it looks like knaves have invaded this site again. uuugghhh!!<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Zameen,<br />
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Yeah, seems like "they" are getting more creative, but still appear with rather "odd" naming conventions.<br />
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Markvd,<br />
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That 11 year old Plejaren girl has been properly nurtured in an environment well suited for educational as well as evolutionary development. Gilgamesh's biological attributes have been altered for extra long life cycles.<br />
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Earthly humans are the same as other humans, however because their life cycles and other attributes have been tampered with, they must fulfill creational evolution requirements on a much disadvantaged scale, being bio-electrical-magnetic in nature with a psyche as other entities are, Earth humans have a capacity to catch up, if the environment to do so becomes condusive for development.<br />
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== Sheila said ... ==<br />
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Hi Leandro, it is best to lose all religious dogmas and indoctrinations. Must be tough to live in Argentina where most are catholic? There are parts of some ethnic/pagan beliefs that come close to the truth. But close ain't good enough! And if they are beliefs and you want a true picture, it's better if you lose all your pre-conceived notions.<br />
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I have watched that interview on utube. It was great to see billy,he looks great! I thought they were very well thought of questions to ask Billy and it is really a credit to the children that they thought of these questions,well done guys :) 'Billy for kids' is a really great site, filled with great information that appeals to the younger<br />
with some very cool fun stuff to do,such as flying the beamship,must admit even mum and dad like do have a go at that ! LOL. Our 10 year old daughter likes to go to 'Billy for kids' and read the stories etc.. and fly the ships. Thanks for all the hard work for making such a great site for the kids!! <br />
Love and Peace to all :) <br />
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--[[User:Cupnsaucer|Cupnsaucer]] 20:27, 1 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Markvd said ... ==<br />
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I disagree Hawaiian if there are people that can maintain high moral values in a world such as ours success is possible but trying to "manipulate" situations as you are trying to accomplish does not help that case. :)<br />
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--[[User:Markvd|Markvd]] 22:32, 1 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Markvd,<br />
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The problem with the vast majority of people on Earth and unfortunately also on websites of this nature is that they do not utilize their true potentials in addressing both their spiritual development and environments through more than a three-dimensional prospective.<br />
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Meaning that one needs to view both their material and non-material environments and logically deduce the fact that because humans are so very familiar throughout the universes in these attributes including the fact that we are all biological-electrical-magnetic beings with a psyche that is encapsulated by a non-material spiritual force, similar in nature to a electrical CAPACITOR that stores and discharges energy it utilizes from these sources.<br />
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It is this capacity or potential to store both material and non-material energy in line with creational endeavors that determines to what degree one spiritually evolves. Stagnation occurs for everyone when the malevolent abuses the benevolent residing in the same environment. Therefore you have the former DNA manipulated ageing gene factor contamination which limits this capacity to 100 years in contrast to natural life cycles of other humans averaging around 1007 years, which is a 10 to 1 disadvantage to gain knowledge and experiences for the proper spiritual evolution.<br />
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The only way to resolve this discrepancy is to either scientifically deactivate this ageing genes and/or remove the malevolent ones as in the case of the Giza Intelligences so that the benevolent ones can now have an environment to evolve spiritually in the correct format. As also during Jmmanuel period, it was the Jewish leaders who stained the rest of their followers by persecuting the 5th prophet and getting away with it. Had some action taken place then, maybe history would have been kinder to their present day public opinion?<br />
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I take Billy’s suggestion to “act in the present” a step further and suggest we apply such measures to resolve what was done later, which should have been done earlier as in the case of removing those SOB’s, the Giza Intelligences in 1978. Had it been done much earlier, the world would certainly be a different place today instead of being influenced by religious contamination for another 200 or more years.<br />
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This is only one of many examples that if properly intervened to correct these evil events from occurring in the interest of the spiritual evolution for those following creational endeavors amongst the mist of these occurrences (environment) in a TIMELY manner, then evolution will be maintained for both ends of the positive and negative spiritual spectrum. For example we all know what happened to the millions, if not billions of lives loss when that insane IHWH-HATA translated as “Eye of God”, the Ring Nebula of Lyra was destroyed by some egomaniac IHWH.<br />
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We also have many such events to a lesser degree and some to the same magnitude but prevented by the Plejarens both included the use of nuclear weapons or research experimentation. History has repeated itself throughout the DERN universe and will continue on Earth as well unless a more humane approach is utilized.<br />
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That is to prevent any more catastrophes from occurring by offering spiritual growth or stagnation of different paths in regards to evolution without the possibility of the destruction of both particular parties who apparently co-exists on the same planet, but usually at the expense of those who endeavor creational methods. Thus, if one chooses through their own free will to become a parasitic SOB who engages in uncreational behaviors like greed, lust of power, enjoyment of seeing others suffer or belittled, actions that stimulate the lower primal animalistic part of their brain and not the higher functional areas like the Colliculus Superior, where the spirit resides, then people of these degenerative nature should be afforded either removal or incarnation to a planet where it is compatible in regards to this level of stagnated evolution which will most likely not be technologically advanced as to become a danger to the general population or other planet system. <br />
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What will happen to their former personalities is of no concern to me and should be suspended indefinitely until the damage it has caused to others are rectified by the victims own quest for spiritual evolution until the “Equational Potential Formulations” are now equal or in equilibrium status from all the previous interferences/abuses done by the malevolent ones.<br />
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Therefore, no manipulation has occurred just a balancing act of measures so that the necessary options are applied in the interest of all parties concerned who will continue down the path they choose through their own free will without endangering others or preventing them from realizing their true potentials. Such potentials can be verified by the Plejaren technology in analyzing one’s pass personalities and other pertinent information of thought registration and prediction along with future time period potentials of the Cause and Effect principle.<br />
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The creator overlords have done the ageing gene manipulation and benefited immensely from such acts while we have and continue to suffer its effects to this day. They may still harbor the intent to enact revenge and exterminate everyone on Earth, as it is their form of “appreciation” which distinguishes what higher forms of intelligences are supposed to be? There could even be some spiritual incarnation of less than desirable personality traits presently amongst us (the one that persecuted Jmmanuel is the same spirit form incarnated in the one that tried to kill Billy).<br />
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== Markvd said ... ==<br />
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You should not evaluate things in terms of higher or greater than, rather who acts and is genuinely direct in there purpose. I don't care who or what name or title they may carry all are the same to me unless of course they have disengeniouse intent. like some. :)<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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That's the biggest problem with the vast majority of Earth-bound people, including most on this website and the USA FIGU also, they limit and restrict their thinking and not encompass the entire spectrum of events leading up to the present day situations.<br />
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What is fair and humane justice if not acted on accordingly in due time, delayed action is delayed justice, the equalibrium status between the negative and positive forces are supposed to be equally balanced, not skewed for any extended period of time because of non-compliance by the forces that have the power to do so.<br />
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If one cannot or will not see this whole spectrum of events, especially so if it affects them directly are being ignorant to the fact they will not demand justice have no one else to blame but themselves.<br />
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As Billy says is so very true "we are all connected" and that includes the Plejarens and all others co-created by Nokodemjon himself. To say we have no right to make these connections from the lowest to highest is not creational, since creation is the process of merging not separation and that includes justice as well.<br />
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thought never dies but enters into a plasma form then is dicarded into small particles which turn into food<br />
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life is the most important thing next to having feelings . Death may be sweet to some but it is only a dispersion of your elements into hopefully something more interesting or worthfull<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Thoughts are not generated into some type of plasma, (but can be technically integrated symbiotically) nor discarded or turned into food because how can fine energy be consumed as material energy are?<br />
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Death is the degradation of the material body, but the spirit lives on to re-incarnate into the next living person until the spirit evolves to a point it no longer needs a material body to incarnate in, thus it becomes purely non-material energy. Thoughts, feelings are all stored as experiences and knowledge that are part of the spirit’s evolutionary process to be merged with other spirits of equal evolution and universes, that is how evolution works.<br />
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From a single drop in a vast ocean of water, although many will feel as insignificant individual human being when compared to a universe, it finally merged as ONE with Creation in the Absolute Absolutum to create more things and has exactly the same components in the form of a spirit, a non-material energy and most importantly, the experiences and knowledge Creation needs for further evolution.<br />
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Negative energies are the results of stagnated spirits, which will not be merged with evolving spirits when the universe transforms from a material to purely spiritual one. What happens to these spirits when that happens is for higher intelligences to ponder on, however there are options to address this problem immediately through the E.P.F.<br />
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Well said, Billy. Now, if only the ignorant, degenerated ones can take hold of their own lives in a responsible manner. Its all too easy for the un-knowing to sit back and waste their entire life away while allowing cult-religious hog-wash lead the way over the hills, valleys and mountain tops through the badlands of erroneous non-sense to the city of nowhere. In sharp contrast to this process of non-thinking, non-acting, non-developing and non-evolving degenerative style of serfdom is the salvation of reality. The truth, of which I am fortunate enough to be knowing quite well, thanks to my man Billy and the Plejaren, is that in which the knowledge of what exists in reality is made certain. I am quite surprised in this day and age, as it relates to the intellectual development of the Earth human, that the majority are still victims and prisoners of a self-inflicted delusion. And it is this I am quite sure that is very basic for people of any planet in any stage of development, even that of the caveman, that one should well enough be aware of the simple fact reality is what reality is and it does not need foolish Earth humans to assume that reality is whatever they find convenient according to personal preference or matter of opinion, reality is made a mockery of in this way. It is shockingly incomprehensible to me the way my fellow brothers and sisters here on this glorious and wonderfully arranged natural planet can be so dim-witted and oblivious to things of a very basic and fundamental nature. Its extremely embarrassing when I think of the way we are viewed upon by other intelligent humans in the universe as a model of a planet whose people that lived there couldnt be any more degenerated or delusional and actually reach the limit of the definition of degenerated and delusional. I dont see any way possible that this world is gonna snap out of this madness on their own and this planet and all of its inhabitants are doomed to suffer the consequences of self-destruction on the back of another world war or this over-populated planet is gonna release enough methane into the air from all the global warming as a result of all the pollution and too many people and the raping of this planet's natural resources to the point that the ozone layer, or whats left of it, is going to start to let in radiation from our sun and then everyone will die a horrible death that way. Myself, personally, I dont have faith or hope or beliefs of any sort. I am knowing of the truth and striving to comprehend the aspects of life and reality in general and if theres one thing I am certain of it is that without the direct intervention of the Plejaren in some manner or in some way, this planet is never gonna make it and mankind on Earth will be called to account for his evil, ignorant foolishness. <br />
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== Navneet from India said ... ==<br />
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Q:-"Here on Earth there are various religions, different gods, many more in Hinduism. What about God and the gods?"<br />
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Unfortunate that people from west still hold a rather bleak outlook when it comes to oriental religions. <br />
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I am rather sorry to say that you have a rather limited knowledge of Hinduism, which always seems to be a matter of ridicule for you due to so many different Gods. Hinduism is one of the few religions that talk of the concept of Brahman - the supreme consciousness that Mr. Billy Meier so dearly holds as a teaching to the earthlings. What do you say of the Vedas (of whatever form it has been transmitted to present day and not withstanding the ritualistic portions of it)? Mr. Meier, your teachings are an exact replica of what appears in them - consciousness that is formless, has no beginning and end, resides in oneself as its attribute whole and so on. It is also said that the ancient seers of India saw through the fact that it is difficult to make mere mortal humans understand the concept of a formless, infinite creation and hence "good" attributes were ascribed to various "god-like" "forms" to make them atleast resemble a form, which will still be creation according to your own teachings, because creation is all encompassing. And Hindusm never said you will be punished if you dont worship the God forms. It said, you worship if you want to concentrate on improving an attribute of your personal well being. For example, Hindu people worship Ganesha, who is considered God of Knowledge. Yes, they may be "asking" for favours when they pray, but deep down, they also get to concentrate an aspect they would wanted improved within self (knowledge in this case). Thus, they are using idol worship as a tool for self improvement of certain attributes.<br />
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It is rather sad that though the Plejarin JHWHs were the ones who kept on getting the prophets to Earth time an again, religions were formed invariably around these figures, including Jmmanuel, Prophet Mohammed and Buddists, no matter how good their intentions were. Thus, the plejarin focus on banishing/criticising idolatory through Mohammad had its effect in the ethnic cleansing of so many cultures with rich traditions. Can I attribute this to Plejarins? Ofcourse, they would call me a fool for they will say "Earth man is responsible for his owm actions, through religious sectarianism and barbarianism". But how different are they? Their consciuosness may be more developed than us, but their immaturity is still the same as ours, the earthlings. Remember your story of Plejarin lady helping Merlin with the Sword of Excalibur (not so long ago for a race of humans living 500 years and up)<br />
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The point for your Plejarin friends is this, no matter which prophet comes on Earth through JHWH, there will be religious cults formed around them, including yours Mr. Meier. and the problem with all these religious cults is, intolerance and apathy towards others. Just as your Plejarin friends which seem to claim -" Please do this, everything else is wrong, and this is the only way". All human beings (Pleja or Terra) need space/freedom of their own expression. I am pretty sure Asket follows a different set of tenets than Semjase or Ptaah. <br />
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I hope your Plejarin friends read this.<br />
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== navneettn said ... ==<br />
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Q:-"Here on Earth there are various religions, different gods, many more in Hinduism. What about God and the gods?"<br />
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Unfortunate that people from west still hold a rather bleak outlook when it comes to oriental religions. <br />
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I am rather sorry to say that you have a rather limited knowledge of Hinduism, which always seems to be a matter of ridicule for you due to so many different Gods. Hinduism is one of the few religions that talk of the concept of Brahman - the supreme consciousness that Mr. Billy Meier so dearly holds as a teaching to the earthlings. What do you say of the Vedas (of whatever form it has been transmitted to present day and not withstanding the ritualistic portions of it)? Mr. Meier, your teachings are an exact replica of what appears in them - consciousness that is formless, has no beginning and end, resides in oneself as its attribute whole and so on. It is also said that the ancient seers of India saw through the fact that it is difficult to make mere mortal humans understand the concept of a formless, infinite creation and hence "good" attributes were ascribed to various "god-like" "forms" to make them atleast resemble a form, which will still be creation according to your own teachings, because creation is all encompassing. And Hindusm never said you will be punished if you dont worship the God forms. It said, you worship if you want to concentrate on improving an attribute of your personal well being. For example, Hindu people worship Ganesha, who is considered God of Knowledge. Yes, they may be "asking" for favours when they pray, but deep down, they also get to concentrate an aspect they would wanted improved within self (knowledge in this case). Thus, they are using idol worship as a tool for self improvement of certain attributes.<br />
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It is rather sad that though the Plejarin JHWHs were the ones who kept on getting the prophets to Earth time an again, religions were formed invariably around these figures, including Jmmanuel, Prophet Mohammed and Buddists, no matter how good their intentions were. Thus, the plejarin focus on banishing/criticising idolatory through Mohammad had its effect in the ethnic cleansing of so many cultures with rich traditions. Can I attribute this to Plejarins? Ofcourse, they would call me a fool for they will say "Earth man is responsible for his owm actions, through religious sectarianism and barbarianism". But how different are they? Their consciuosness may be more developed than us, but their immaturity is still the same as ours, the earthlings. Remember your story of Plejarin lady helping Merlin with the Sword of Excalibur (not so long ago for a race of humans living 500 years and up)<br />
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The point for your Plejarin friends is this, no matter which prophet comes on Earth through JHWH, there will be religious cults formed around them, including yours Mr. Meier. and the problem with all these religious cults is, intolerance and apathy towards others. Just as your Plejarin friends which seem to claim -" Please do this, everything else is wrong, and this is the only way". All human beings (Pleja or Terra) need space/freedom of their own expression. I am pretty sure Asket follows a different set of tenets than Semjase or Ptaah. <br />
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I hope your Plejarin friends read this.<br />
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--[[User:Navneettn|Navneettn]] 15:02, 2 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Markvd said ... ==<br />
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Religions are very tough to follow because everyone that follows them tends to stray from the laws of creation. You have good points Navneet but I am guessing there are offshoot religions that copy religions in order to maintain and control people's minds, how can that be freedom when the development of consciosness is the ultimate goal of development of all thinking beings. In India they seem rather peaceful but they are overpopulating faster than madmen and have more wives than each male can count. :) I call that irresponsible in my point ov view. <br />
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== Navneettn said ... ==<br />
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Dear Markvd,<br />
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Thank you for your response. Again, I would like to reply to some comments of yours.<br />
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"I am guessing there are offshoot religions that copy religions in order to maintain and control people's minds, how can that be freedom when the development of consciosness is the ultimate goal of development of all thinking beings. "<br />
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I can tell you that Hinduism is perhaps the only religion in the world that allows Atheism. In fact, you have the freedom to follow your own beliefs or disbelief. The ultimate goal was still to percieve the supreme consciousness. If you believed that one's method of faith or non-faith would lead to the ultimate supreme, it was left entirely upon you. Ofcourse, over the period of millenia, idol worship and rituals took some centre stage through the high priests, sad, but it was expected. However, the openness continued. Even to this day, no body looks you down in the Hindu society if you refuse to pray to one God/Gods or enter the temple. These views are infact respected as the free will or choice of the individual and the thought process is "Fine, it this works for you to reach the ultimate truth, very well- We respect it". <br />
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Now coming on the point of population explosion, I agree with you, but I also consider your view a bit dogmatic and irresponsible when you say "In India they seem rather peaceful but they are overpopulating faster than madmen and have more wives than each male can count." <br />
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This is so because you belief of each male having more wives in India is medieval at best. We are not some Arabian camel grazing country where such things may be state sponsored. In fact, the Hindu marriage act bans polygamy (unfortunate that this has not been extended to Muslims in India as a uniform law due to the hunger of politicians for votes). In fact, the urban Indian society (Hindus, Muslims and Christians) have no more than 2 children (which is infact further going down to only 1 child in urban centres voluntarily). Urban centres are fast increasing due to migration with now nearly 40% of Indian population contributed by Metros. You can see that things are changing, and even the state goverments are giving incentives to rural India for less children (like rules of barring village headmen to get elected if they have more than 2 children, reduction of some perks for government employees with more than 2 etc.). I believe these are positive steps. <br />
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I sincerely hope that all of people here and FIGU and Plejarin shed their "BIASES" and "DOGMAS" about others that they know little. After all, we are all humans and to "judge" someone with sweeping conclusions is the worst thing you can do to an individual.<br />
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== Markvd said ... ==<br />
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It is actually fact males in India have more wives thus the highest population singularly in the world toppling China in that regard. That is not a bias or dogma filled remark, it is truth. I am not saying Hinduism is to blame, but I think that they use religion so they can get away with many criminal elements that do not follow the laws of creation. If you are a peaceful person that has less than 2 children I wish you well. :)<br />
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== Navneettn said ... ==<br />
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Markvd, thank you again for your reply and wishing me well, I wish you the same. <br />
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But please, improve your General Knowledge about the world affairs Markvd. Your statement has no basis:-"It is actually fact males in India have more wives thus the highest population singularly in the world toppling China in that regard."<br />
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I dont you from where you got that "fact". India is still trailing China in its population at this moment (check the latest figures). AND the 2011 census of India states that the sex ratio in India is 940 females : 1000 males. Your "fact" falls right there. <br />
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== Sheila said ... ==<br />
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Hi Navneettn, I think the biggest problem I have is the Hindu caste system. Could you honestly say that if Billy Meier were born into a family of poor farmers in India, that he would have the same chance as he does now in his current incarnation? Maybe the spiritual teachings of Billy Meier are a continuation of the Vedas with needed changes?<br />
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== Navneettn said ... ==<br />
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Dear Sheila,<br />
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Thank you for your comments. Ignorance is the biggest enemy of human society. Be it in the terms of "Creation" or even worldly facts. I am astonished by the authority with which people criticise others without even having done a preliminary study.I agree that Caste system has been a glaring problem for over a century for India. But know this, that Hinduism and Caste system are totally unrelated terms. Caste system was a societal system put in by administrators of the yore, and it was more mobile than what it is now actually. The concept of "untouchability" itself is hardly 500 years old or so. Vedas never preached untouchability and it never needed any changes. The message is clear. It is about Creation and Creation alone. Believe me, there is not an iota of differene of what Mr. Meier is saying and what Vedas say. It's good that atleast these teachings about the Creation are reaching the West through him. But to claim that his teachings as a discovery in the new world is totally false.<br />
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Now coming on the point of how, if Meier were one of the low caste people of India could ever get a chance to preach his teachings? I will give you names of people who have exactly done that. Read about Mata Amritanandamayi. She was born untouchable. She is accepted all over the world as a renowned spiritual Guru. SHE DOES NOT KNOW ANY LANGUAGE OTHER THAN HER LOCAL ONE (MALAYALAM), SHE IS A DARK FAT LADY AND THE WAY SHE BLESSES PEOPLE IS BY HUGGING. Another example for you is Sri Narayana Guru, born to the Ezhava untouchable household. He is revered as a spiritual guru amongst all classes of Hindus. So are medieval personalities in India like Kabir (famous as a saint writing couplets about creation) and ancient seers like Valmiki (a tribal hunter) who attained realization and in fact became a guru to "high caste" students and Rama, who is also considered an important figure. <br />
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So please, I request all of you here making sweeping conclusions, I request you to sharpen your minds and read things up. Marginalization has existed in all regions of the world. But to link it to religions is not true. You have to link it to institutions that administered the religions (Churches, Clergy etc.). Take in that spirit.<br />
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So my big sweeping conclusion is that currently in India there is only ONE person who MAY fit that description. Only one person in a population of 1.17 billion? That's all you could come up with other than those that have already passed? I guess that answers my question that Billy would not have had a chance if born in India. <br />
I looked Mata Amritanandamayi up on wiki and this pretty much says it all "'It was not permissible for a 14-year-old girl to touch others, especially men." I'm sure glad I've never had that type of restriction, I've been able to hug whomever I wanted to, at all ages of my life. Human touch is the most basic instinct but the Hindu religion restricts that? Do men have the same restrictions against them? <br />
I've always been leary of so called charitable organizations as it's well documented that the majority of the money usually goes to administration. But you are correct, I like to marginalize all religions especially those which don't like to link their religion to current interpretations of such. So what is your purpose? To prove that Hinduism is better than all the rest? Because I'm not buying that.<br />
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</div></div>Sheilahttps://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/w/index.php?title=Special:Badtitle/NS101:JamesMoore/Extraterrestrial_nutritional_health_advice_that_really_works/c000047&diff=17876Special:Badtitle/NS101:JamesMoore/Extraterrestrial nutritional health advice that really works/c0000472012-01-04T17:27:57Z<p>Sheila: New comment by Sheila: I don't know Mark, currently our health care system is free but I still always look to alternative health first. I find it amazing that vitamins cause so many diseases when you a...</p>
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<div>I don't know Mark, currently our health care system is free but I still always look to alternative health first. I find it amazing that vitamins cause so many diseases when you are deficient in them. And the thing that got me was that doctors spend less than 6 months studying nutrition and have no idea whether patients are deficient in vitamins or not. I know an 18 year old who spent a week in the hospital and they could find nothing wrong with him. His mom kidnapped him and brought him to my practitioner and he was diagnosed with a lack of vitamins A & D and a week later was back at work.<br />
JamesM, great to see that your eczema has abated. The thing about cheap vitamins is they have all kinds of fillers and you seem to have to take twice as many pills, to get the right intake. I always buy mine from a health store instead of a drug store. Get rid of your microwave as it only takes 45 minutes to make rice on the stove. Plus if it's being nuked, there is not much nutritional value left.</div>Sheilahttps://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/w/index.php?title=Talk:Interview_with_Billy_(2011)&diff=17875Talk:Interview with Billy (2011)2012-01-04T17:02:22Z<p>Sheila: Comment provided by Sheila - via ArticleComments extension</p>
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== Markvd said ... ==<br />
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I have learned that there is a very special 11 year old girl multiplied many times and that we carry over in a sense traits we have learned to a certain degree. I suggest everyone list down there worst traits and improve upon them to head down a more stable and creative path, rather than a barbaric destructive path. :) Thanks once again 2011 edition BEAM contribution. <br />
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== Markvd said ... ==<br />
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I just noticed someone is cheating in terms of life on Earth all fingers pointed to "GILGAMESH" j/k <br />
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== Sheila said ... ==<br />
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Hi Mark, along with the worst traits one should also write down their best ones to keep a balanced perspective. Also very important to forgive those that you feel have wronged you as chances are they did not realize what they had done.<br />
I've always felt my essence was Justice - and that's probably why I called the corporal a liar, because he was one. But I've forgiven him because he's only human and only wanted to protect his fellow officers kids from being charged with a crime. I've even forgiven his fellow officer for following me to work to try and intimidate me. It's been a hard road standing up for what is right but well worth it.<br />
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== Markvd said ... ==<br />
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I am going to avoid helping single individuals from now on and try and come up with a larger strategy to help all of mankind instead. I do not feel humanity at this time has shown enough to warrant effort, they must find there own path in order to really understand their own unique spirit. Many lifetimes from now they will get better but best to avoid them when they are at there worst. <br />
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== Markvd said ... ==<br />
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People are aware of what they do, it is if they choose not to do it to others because they are advanced enough to know right from wrong. It is true every lifetime is different but once they do something incorrect it is very hard to forget it because it remains until they pass on once again to the next life. People must be very careful and cautious when acting because people will see them for who they really are and it is in most cases not a pleasant site to see. <br />
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== Leandro from Argentina said ... ==<br />
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Hi I'm Leandro, I wonder if the pagan religions or ethnic continue to exist<br />
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--[[User:Leandro from Argentina|Leandro from Argentina]] 19:18, 23 November 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Zameen said ... ==<br />
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James- it looks like knaves have invaded this site again. uuugghhh!!<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Zameen,<br />
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Yeah, seems like "they" are getting more creative, but still appear with rather "odd" naming conventions.<br />
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Markvd,<br />
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That 11 year old Plejaren girl has been properly nurtured in an environment well suited for educational as well as evolutionary development. Gilgamesh's biological attributes have been altered for extra long life cycles.<br />
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Earthly humans are the same as other humans, however because their life cycles and other attributes have been tampered with, they must fulfill creational evolution requirements on a much disadvantaged scale, being bio-electrical-magnetic in nature with a psyche as other entities are, Earth humans have a capacity to catch up, if the environment to do so becomes condusive for development.<br />
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== Sheila said ... ==<br />
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Hi Leandro, it is best to lose all religious dogmas and indoctrinations. Must be tough to live in Argentina where most are catholic? There are parts of some ethnic/pagan beliefs that come close to the truth. But close ain't good enough! And if they are beliefs and you want a true picture, it's better if you lose all your pre-conceived notions.<br />
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--[[User:Sheila|Sheila]] 01:27, 24 November 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== debbie said ... ==<br />
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I have watched that interview on utube. It was great to see billy,he looks great! I thought they were very well thought of questions to ask Billy and it is really a credit to the children that they thought of these questions,well done guys :) 'Billy for kids' is a really great site, filled with great information that appeals to the younger<br />
with some very cool fun stuff to do,such as flying the beamship,must admit even mum and dad like do have a go at that ! LOL. Our 10 year old daughter likes to go to 'Billy for kids' and read the stories etc.. and fly the ships. Thanks for all the hard work for making such a great site for the kids!! <br />
Love and Peace to all :) <br />
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--[[User:Cupnsaucer|Cupnsaucer]] 20:27, 1 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Markvd said ... ==<br />
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I disagree Hawaiian if there are people that can maintain high moral values in a world such as ours success is possible but trying to "manipulate" situations as you are trying to accomplish does not help that case. :)<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Markvd,<br />
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The problem with the vast majority of people on Earth and unfortunately also on websites of this nature is that they do not utilize their true potentials in addressing both their spiritual development and environments through more than a three-dimensional prospective.<br />
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Meaning that one needs to view both their material and non-material environments and logically deduce the fact that because humans are so very familiar throughout the universes in these attributes including the fact that we are all biological-electrical-magnetic beings with a psyche that is encapsulated by a non-material spiritual force, similar in nature to a electrical CAPACITOR that stores and discharges energy it utilizes from these sources.<br />
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It is this capacity or potential to store both material and non-material energy in line with creational endeavors that determines to what degree one spiritually evolves. Stagnation occurs for everyone when the malevolent abuses the benevolent residing in the same environment. Therefore you have the former DNA manipulated ageing gene factor contamination which limits this capacity to 100 years in contrast to natural life cycles of other humans averaging around 1007 years, which is a 10 to 1 disadvantage to gain knowledge and experiences for the proper spiritual evolution.<br />
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The only way to resolve this discrepancy is to either scientifically deactivate this ageing genes and/or remove the malevolent ones as in the case of the Giza Intelligences so that the benevolent ones can now have an environment to evolve spiritually in the correct format. As also during Jmmanuel period, it was the Jewish leaders who stained the rest of their followers by persecuting the 5th prophet and getting away with it. Had some action taken place then, maybe history would have been kinder to their present day public opinion?<br />
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I take Billy’s suggestion to “act in the present” a step further and suggest we apply such measures to resolve what was done later, which should have been done earlier as in the case of removing those SOB’s, the Giza Intelligences in 1978. Had it been done much earlier, the world would certainly be a different place today instead of being influenced by religious contamination for another 200 or more years.<br />
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This is only one of many examples that if properly intervened to correct these evil events from occurring in the interest of the spiritual evolution for those following creational endeavors amongst the mist of these occurrences (environment) in a TIMELY manner, then evolution will be maintained for both ends of the positive and negative spiritual spectrum. For example we all know what happened to the millions, if not billions of lives loss when that insane IHWH-HATA translated as “Eye of God”, the Ring Nebula of Lyra was destroyed by some egomaniac IHWH.<br />
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We also have many such events to a lesser degree and some to the same magnitude but prevented by the Plejarens both included the use of nuclear weapons or research experimentation. History has repeated itself throughout the DERN universe and will continue on Earth as well unless a more humane approach is utilized.<br />
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That is to prevent any more catastrophes from occurring by offering spiritual growth or stagnation of different paths in regards to evolution without the possibility of the destruction of both particular parties who apparently co-exists on the same planet, but usually at the expense of those who endeavor creational methods. Thus, if one chooses through their own free will to become a parasitic SOB who engages in uncreational behaviors like greed, lust of power, enjoyment of seeing others suffer or belittled, actions that stimulate the lower primal animalistic part of their brain and not the higher functional areas like the Colliculus Superior, where the spirit resides, then people of these degenerative nature should be afforded either removal or incarnation to a planet where it is compatible in regards to this level of stagnated evolution which will most likely not be technologically advanced as to become a danger to the general population or other planet system. <br />
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What will happen to their former personalities is of no concern to me and should be suspended indefinitely until the damage it has caused to others are rectified by the victims own quest for spiritual evolution until the “Equational Potential Formulations” are now equal or in equilibrium status from all the previous interferences/abuses done by the malevolent ones.<br />
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Therefore, no manipulation has occurred just a balancing act of measures so that the necessary options are applied in the interest of all parties concerned who will continue down the path they choose through their own free will without endangering others or preventing them from realizing their true potentials. Such potentials can be verified by the Plejaren technology in analyzing one’s pass personalities and other pertinent information of thought registration and prediction along with future time period potentials of the Cause and Effect principle.<br />
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The creator overlords have done the ageing gene manipulation and benefited immensely from such acts while we have and continue to suffer its effects to this day. They may still harbor the intent to enact revenge and exterminate everyone on Earth, as it is their form of “appreciation” which distinguishes what higher forms of intelligences are supposed to be? There could even be some spiritual incarnation of less than desirable personality traits presently amongst us (the one that persecuted Jmmanuel is the same spirit form incarnated in the one that tried to kill Billy).<br />
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== Markvd said ... ==<br />
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You should not evaluate things in terms of higher or greater than, rather who acts and is genuinely direct in there purpose. I don't care who or what name or title they may carry all are the same to me unless of course they have disengeniouse intent. like some. :)<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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That's the biggest problem with the vast majority of Earth-bound people, including most on this website and the USA FIGU also, they limit and restrict their thinking and not encompass the entire spectrum of events leading up to the present day situations.<br />
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What is fair and humane justice if not acted on accordingly in due time, delayed action is delayed justice, the equalibrium status between the negative and positive forces are supposed to be equally balanced, not skewed for any extended period of time because of non-compliance by the forces that have the power to do so.<br />
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If one cannot or will not see this whole spectrum of events, especially so if it affects them directly are being ignorant to the fact they will not demand justice have no one else to blame but themselves.<br />
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As Billy says is so very true "we are all connected" and that includes the Plejarens and all others co-created by Nokodemjon himself. To say we have no right to make these connections from the lowest to highest is not creational, since creation is the process of merging not separation and that includes justice as well.<br />
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thought never dies but enters into a plasma form then is dicarded into small particles which turn into food<br />
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== Spockstar1 said ... ==<br />
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life is the most important thing next to having feelings . Death may be sweet to some but it is only a dispersion of your elements into hopefully something more interesting or worthfull<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Thoughts are not generated into some type of plasma, (but can be technically integrated symbiotically) nor discarded or turned into food because how can fine energy be consumed as material energy are?<br />
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Death is the degradation of the material body, but the spirit lives on to re-incarnate into the next living person until the spirit evolves to a point it no longer needs a material body to incarnate in, thus it becomes purely non-material energy. Thoughts, feelings are all stored as experiences and knowledge that are part of the spirit’s evolutionary process to be merged with other spirits of equal evolution and universes, that is how evolution works.<br />
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From a single drop in a vast ocean of water, although many will feel as insignificant individual human being when compared to a universe, it finally merged as ONE with Creation in the Absolute Absolutum to create more things and has exactly the same components in the form of a spirit, a non-material energy and most importantly, the experiences and knowledge Creation needs for further evolution.<br />
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Negative energies are the results of stagnated spirits, which will not be merged with evolving spirits when the universe transforms from a material to purely spiritual one. What happens to these spirits when that happens is for higher intelligences to ponder on, however there are options to address this problem immediately through the E.P.F.<br />
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Well said, Billy. Now, if only the ignorant, degenerated ones can take hold of their own lives in a responsible manner. Its all too easy for the un-knowing to sit back and waste their entire life away while allowing cult-religious hog-wash lead the way over the hills, valleys and mountain tops through the badlands of erroneous non-sense to the city of nowhere. In sharp contrast to this process of non-thinking, non-acting, non-developing and non-evolving degenerative style of serfdom is the salvation of reality. The truth, of which I am fortunate enough to be knowing quite well, thanks to my man Billy and the Plejaren, is that in which the knowledge of what exists in reality is made certain. I am quite surprised in this day and age, as it relates to the intellectual development of the Earth human, that the majority are still victims and prisoners of a self-inflicted delusion. And it is this I am quite sure that is very basic for people of any planet in any stage of development, even that of the caveman, that one should well enough be aware of the simple fact reality is what reality is and it does not need foolish Earth humans to assume that reality is whatever they find convenient according to personal preference or matter of opinion, reality is made a mockery of in this way. It is shockingly incomprehensible to me the way my fellow brothers and sisters here on this glorious and wonderfully arranged natural planet can be so dim-witted and oblivious to things of a very basic and fundamental nature. Its extremely embarrassing when I think of the way we are viewed upon by other intelligent humans in the universe as a model of a planet whose people that lived there couldnt be any more degenerated or delusional and actually reach the limit of the definition of degenerated and delusional. I dont see any way possible that this world is gonna snap out of this madness on their own and this planet and all of its inhabitants are doomed to suffer the consequences of self-destruction on the back of another world war or this over-populated planet is gonna release enough methane into the air from all the global warming as a result of all the pollution and too many people and the raping of this planet's natural resources to the point that the ozone layer, or whats left of it, is going to start to let in radiation from our sun and then everyone will die a horrible death that way. Myself, personally, I dont have faith or hope or beliefs of any sort. I am knowing of the truth and striving to comprehend the aspects of life and reality in general and if theres one thing I am certain of it is that without the direct intervention of the Plejaren in some manner or in some way, this planet is never gonna make it and mankind on Earth will be called to account for his evil, ignorant foolishness. <br />
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--[[User:BraveKnight|BraveKnight]] 01:28, 25 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Navneet from India said ... ==<br />
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Q:-"Here on Earth there are various religions, different gods, many more in Hinduism. What about God and the gods?"<br />
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Unfortunate that people from west still hold a rather bleak outlook when it comes to oriental religions. <br />
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I am rather sorry to say that you have a rather limited knowledge of Hinduism, which always seems to be a matter of ridicule for you due to so many different Gods. Hinduism is one of the few religions that talk of the concept of Brahman - the supreme consciousness that Mr. Billy Meier so dearly holds as a teaching to the earthlings. What do you say of the Vedas (of whatever form it has been transmitted to present day and not withstanding the ritualistic portions of it)? Mr. Meier, your teachings are an exact replica of what appears in them - consciousness that is formless, has no beginning and end, resides in oneself as its attribute whole and so on. It is also said that the ancient seers of India saw through the fact that it is difficult to make mere mortal humans understand the concept of a formless, infinite creation and hence "good" attributes were ascribed to various "god-like" "forms" to make them atleast resemble a form, which will still be creation according to your own teachings, because creation is all encompassing. And Hindusm never said you will be punished if you dont worship the God forms. It said, you worship if you want to concentrate on improving an attribute of your personal well being. For example, Hindu people worship Ganesha, who is considered God of Knowledge. Yes, they may be "asking" for favours when they pray, but deep down, they also get to concentrate an aspect they would wanted improved within self (knowledge in this case). Thus, they are using idol worship as a tool for self improvement of certain attributes.<br />
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It is rather sad that though the Plejarin JHWHs were the ones who kept on getting the prophets to Earth time an again, religions were formed invariably around these figures, including Jmmanuel, Prophet Mohammed and Buddists, no matter how good their intentions were. Thus, the plejarin focus on banishing/criticising idolatory through Mohammad had its effect in the ethnic cleansing of so many cultures with rich traditions. Can I attribute this to Plejarins? Ofcourse, they would call me a fool for they will say "Earth man is responsible for his owm actions, through religious sectarianism and barbarianism". But how different are they? Their consciuosness may be more developed than us, but their immaturity is still the same as ours, the earthlings. Remember your story of Plejarin lady helping Merlin with the Sword of Excalibur (not so long ago for a race of humans living 500 years and up)<br />
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The point for your Plejarin friends is this, no matter which prophet comes on Earth through JHWH, there will be religious cults formed around them, including yours Mr. Meier. and the problem with all these religious cults is, intolerance and apathy towards others. Just as your Plejarin friends which seem to claim -" Please do this, everything else is wrong, and this is the only way". All human beings (Pleja or Terra) need space/freedom of their own expression. I am pretty sure Asket follows a different set of tenets than Semjase or Ptaah. <br />
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I hope your Plejarin friends read this.<br />
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== navneettn said ... ==<br />
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Q:-"Here on Earth there are various religions, different gods, many more in Hinduism. What about God and the gods?"<br />
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Unfortunate that people from west still hold a rather bleak outlook when it comes to oriental religions. <br />
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I am rather sorry to say that you have a rather limited knowledge of Hinduism, which always seems to be a matter of ridicule for you due to so many different Gods. Hinduism is one of the few religions that talk of the concept of Brahman - the supreme consciousness that Mr. Billy Meier so dearly holds as a teaching to the earthlings. What do you say of the Vedas (of whatever form it has been transmitted to present day and not withstanding the ritualistic portions of it)? Mr. Meier, your teachings are an exact replica of what appears in them - consciousness that is formless, has no beginning and end, resides in oneself as its attribute whole and so on. It is also said that the ancient seers of India saw through the fact that it is difficult to make mere mortal humans understand the concept of a formless, infinite creation and hence "good" attributes were ascribed to various "god-like" "forms" to make them atleast resemble a form, which will still be creation according to your own teachings, because creation is all encompassing. And Hindusm never said you will be punished if you dont worship the God forms. It said, you worship if you want to concentrate on improving an attribute of your personal well being. For example, Hindu people worship Ganesha, who is considered God of Knowledge. Yes, they may be "asking" for favours when they pray, but deep down, they also get to concentrate an aspect they would wanted improved within self (knowledge in this case). Thus, they are using idol worship as a tool for self improvement of certain attributes.<br />
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It is rather sad that though the Plejarin JHWHs were the ones who kept on getting the prophets to Earth time an again, religions were formed invariably around these figures, including Jmmanuel, Prophet Mohammed and Buddists, no matter how good their intentions were. Thus, the plejarin focus on banishing/criticising idolatory through Mohammad had its effect in the ethnic cleansing of so many cultures with rich traditions. Can I attribute this to Plejarins? Ofcourse, they would call me a fool for they will say "Earth man is responsible for his owm actions, through religious sectarianism and barbarianism". But how different are they? Their consciuosness may be more developed than us, but their immaturity is still the same as ours, the earthlings. Remember your story of Plejarin lady helping Merlin with the Sword of Excalibur (not so long ago for a race of humans living 500 years and up)<br />
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The point for your Plejarin friends is this, no matter which prophet comes on Earth through JHWH, there will be religious cults formed around them, including yours Mr. Meier. and the problem with all these religious cults is, intolerance and apathy towards others. Just as your Plejarin friends which seem to claim -" Please do this, everything else is wrong, and this is the only way". All human beings (Pleja or Terra) need space/freedom of their own expression. I am pretty sure Asket follows a different set of tenets than Semjase or Ptaah. <br />
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I hope your Plejarin friends read this.<br />
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--[[User:Navneettn|Navneettn]] 15:02, 2 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Markvd said ... ==<br />
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Religions are very tough to follow because everyone that follows them tends to stray from the laws of creation. You have good points Navneet but I am guessing there are offshoot religions that copy religions in order to maintain and control people's minds, how can that be freedom when the development of consciosness is the ultimate goal of development of all thinking beings. In India they seem rather peaceful but they are overpopulating faster than madmen and have more wives than each male can count. :) I call that irresponsible in my point ov view. <br />
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== Navneettn said ... ==<br />
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Dear Markvd,<br />
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Thank you for your response. Again, I would like to reply to some comments of yours.<br />
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"I am guessing there are offshoot religions that copy religions in order to maintain and control people's minds, how can that be freedom when the development of consciosness is the ultimate goal of development of all thinking beings. "<br />
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I can tell you that Hinduism is perhaps the only religion in the world that allows Atheism. In fact, you have the freedom to follow your own beliefs or disbelief. The ultimate goal was still to percieve the supreme consciousness. If you believed that one's method of faith or non-faith would lead to the ultimate supreme, it was left entirely upon you. Ofcourse, over the period of millenia, idol worship and rituals took some centre stage through the high priests, sad, but it was expected. However, the openness continued. Even to this day, no body looks you down in the Hindu society if you refuse to pray to one God/Gods or enter the temple. These views are infact respected as the free will or choice of the individual and the thought process is "Fine, it this works for you to reach the ultimate truth, very well- We respect it". <br />
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Now coming on the point of population explosion, I agree with you, but I also consider your view a bit dogmatic and irresponsible when you say "In India they seem rather peaceful but they are overpopulating faster than madmen and have more wives than each male can count." <br />
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This is so because you belief of each male having more wives in India is medieval at best. We are not some Arabian camel grazing country where such things may be state sponsored. In fact, the Hindu marriage act bans polygamy (unfortunate that this has not been extended to Muslims in India as a uniform law due to the hunger of politicians for votes). In fact, the urban Indian society (Hindus, Muslims and Christians) have no more than 2 children (which is infact further going down to only 1 child in urban centres voluntarily). Urban centres are fast increasing due to migration with now nearly 40% of Indian population contributed by Metros. You can see that things are changing, and even the state goverments are giving incentives to rural India for less children (like rules of barring village headmen to get elected if they have more than 2 children, reduction of some perks for government employees with more than 2 etc.). I believe these are positive steps. <br />
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I sincerely hope that all of people here and FIGU and Plejarin shed their "BIASES" and "DOGMAS" about others that they know little. After all, we are all humans and to "judge" someone with sweeping conclusions is the worst thing you can do to an individual.<br />
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== Markvd said ... ==<br />
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It is actually fact males in India have more wives thus the highest population singularly in the world toppling China in that regard. That is not a bias or dogma filled remark, it is truth. I am not saying Hinduism is to blame, but I think that they use religion so they can get away with many criminal elements that do not follow the laws of creation. If you are a peaceful person that has less than 2 children I wish you well. :)<br />
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== Navneettn said ... ==<br />
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Markvd, thank you again for your reply and wishing me well, I wish you the same. <br />
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But please, improve your General Knowledge about the world affairs Markvd. Your statement has no basis:-"It is actually fact males in India have more wives thus the highest population singularly in the world toppling China in that regard."<br />
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I dont you from where you got that "fact". India is still trailing China in its population at this moment (check the latest figures). AND the 2011 census of India states that the sex ratio in India is 940 females : 1000 males. Your "fact" falls right there. <br />
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== Sheila said ... ==<br />
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Hi Navneettn, I think the biggest problem I have is the Hindu caste system. Could you honestly say that if Billy Meier were born into a family of poor farmers in India, that he would have the same chance as he does now in his current incarnation? Maybe the spiritual teachings of Billy Meier are a continuation of the Vedas with needed changes?<br />
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--[[User:Sheila|Sheila]] 17:02, 4 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Sweet6b9 said ... ==<br />
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All other opinions asside, I have seen the proof that these contacts are real as the US Government has extensive records related to the fact that these contacts are real. I do not have these records but I am attesting to this fact for all to see. They have and are having contact with the Baffath and are working with them as evidenced by the Black Triangle ships that are being seen world wide. For Video Evidence search Triangle UFO or TR-3B online or on YouTube.<br />
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== Gerswin2002 said ... ==<br />
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That metal is Aluminum and not Thulium. The EDS spectrum that Vogel shows corresponds to Aluminum with traces of Silver (see reference below). Thulium has a strong band at 1.462 KeV. This is very close to the Aluminum strong band at 1.486 KeV and without the "secondary bands" as Vogel himself noted. <br />
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I have experience with EDS X-Ray in Scanning Electron Microscopy; it is easy to confuse elements and, since there are no secondary bands, the metal is the very common element Aluminum and not the rare Thulium.<br />
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I'm surprise that in almost 30 years nobody noticed the mistake Vogel made in his analysis.<br />
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Reference: The "Thulium" Spectrum is shown at time mark 8:44 of the video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4koTWaohZxc&feature=related . Again, that is Aluminum with traces of Silver and not Thulium.<br />
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== Sheila said ... ==<br />
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Well Gerswin2002, I guess that's your opinion. Vogel did note the secondary band (which was there) but somehow you claim it wasn't? Any nut job can come on here and make all sorts of claims. Come on, tell us your real name and qualifications. Sorry but having "experience" does not make you an expert. I think I'll go with the guy who had numerous patents based on information gleaned from investigation. How many patents do you have?<br />
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== Sheila said ... ==<br />
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Sweet6b9, those black triangle craft are none other than your very own terrestrial black ops. They have been around for at least 30 years - no aliens involved. A former military person informed me he had seen ufo craft in a hangar as far back as the '50s. They were sworn to secrecy. He also said that it was common that U.S. military personelle were brainwashed after coming out of the bush to make sure they kept their mouths shut.<br />
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== Gerswin2002 said ... ==<br />
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Sweet: <br />
Aluminum and Thulium do have very close strong band (1.486 and 1.462 KeV respectively), you can verify that in the links below:<br />
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http://www.radiochemistry.org/periodictable/<br />
http://www.edax.com/literature/periodic.aspx<br />
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Vogel himself says the following (9:16 time mark of the video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4koTWaohZxc&feature=related ):<br />
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"Now, the remarkable thing that we noticed was that, yes we got this band here [points to the 1.462KeV] this is the only one that matched in the spectral analysis in the computer, but the secondary bands that are connected with it [points to the bands at 7.17 KeV and 6.34 KeV] were not present" And his spectrum reflects exactly what he says.<br />
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You can check what an EDS spectrum for Thulium looks like in http://www.cannonmicroprobe.com/XRay_%20Spectra.htm scroll down to find it. It looks nothing to what he shows.<br />
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The metal he shows is clearly Aluminum and not Thulium. The EDS computers, even today, get the element id wrong many times. Human intervention is required all the time for proper EDS element identification.<br />
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== Gerswin2002 said ... ==<br />
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"You can check what an EDS spectrum for Thulium looks like in http://www.cannonmicroprobe.com/XRay_%20Spectra.htm scroll down to find it. It looks nothing to what he shows." <br />
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Except for one band at presumably at 1.462KeV which I say is 1.486KeV.<br />
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Only solid, clear, and unambiguous evidence matters and not the person's credentials. Vogel DOES NOT have such evidence for Thulium. <br />
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By the way, if you have more EDS spectra presented by Vogel, I'd love to review them. Please post the links to them.<br />
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== Gerswin2002 said ... ==<br />
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Sheila,<br />
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As a matter of fact, please direct me to any posted EDS X-Ray Spectrum data collected by Vogel either in print or in video. I'm extremely interested in checking his data. I have been looking on the internet for the spectra he captured and I cannot find it.<br />
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I'm more interested in his data than in his opinions.<br />
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Thanks,<br />
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Gerswin<br />
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--[[User:Gerswin2002|Gerswin2002]] 01:43, 12 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Sheila said ... ==<br />
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Well Gerswin, the specimen contained "very pure silver and very pure aluminum, potassium, calcium, copper, argon, bromine, chlorine, iron, sulfer and silicon" and "an astonishing mixture of almost all of the elements in the periodic table". So based on that information I'm sure you'll find them all. I don't have a link. So what is your purpose in all of this? And how much experience do you have with cold fusion?<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Aloha Sheila,<br />
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I was going to spend some time doing research on Thulium, but decided you probably have a better answer to Gerswin2002 inquires which has just been demonstrated in the vast complexity of discrete elements that represents almost the entire periodic table including evidence micro-machining and indentations.<br />
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Even though if Gerswin2002 can prove that Thulium was actually Aluminum, does that ONE discrepancy invalidate the other elements that obviously are discrete in their unique characteristics bonded together Not but any heating processing (which would have destroyed their discreteness), BUT bonded by cold fusion, which is still NOT POSSIBLE by Earthly scientists!<br />
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Instead of waiting 30 plus years trying to discredit Vogel’s findings on this ONE element called Thulium, why hasn’t Gerswin2002 look into the other materials as well? Sometimes people are so obsessed on one belief or disbelief they forget to notice other things in life that keeps on evolving while they remain stagnated on this one issue in the vain hope of achieving the perfect solution. Nothing is perfect, otherwise there is no reason for creation to evolve further and that also applies to beliefs or dis beliefs.<br />
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So if Gerswin2002 wants to continue on his endeavors to prove Vogel’s findings on Thulium wrong and ignore the other more important materials that Billy and the Plejarens have brought forth, that is his prerogative and we wish him well in his efforts. I wouldn’t waste my time on something that is definitely not my problem since I’ve got better and more interesting things to do.<br />
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One thing that intrigues me about this metal specimen is what reason or reasons why it represents the entire periodic table of elements and being the hull of their spaceships which is metal, yet at the same time crystal, it must have much deeper meaning and/or purpose other than just being the outside material for their spaceships?<br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 06:58, 13 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Gerswin2002 said ... ==<br />
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Hawaiian and Sheila,<br />
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As a matter of fact, I also analysed the other EDS X-Ray spectrum where he claims that the sample contains many elements. This spectrum is found in http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4koTWaohZxc&feature=related at the time mark of 7:12. <br />
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Here he Vogel identifies the elements Silicon (1.740KeV), Sulfur (2.307KeV) , Iron (0.706 KeV, 6.403 KeV) and then he goes on to say that the there are many other very small elements bands and that he did not attempt to identify them. Si, S, and Fe may very well be there, but the rest of the spectrum are not element bands, but what in EDS Spectroscopy is known as Continuum Bremsstrahlung Emission. This radiation, though part of the EDS X-Ray Emission, does not contain useful information about the elements in the sample. See the references below for more info:<br />
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bremsstrahlung<br />
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/quantum/xrayc.html <br />
http://www.scribd.com/doc/31759852/7-EDS-WDS-X-Ray-Elemental-Micro-Analysis-Electron-Microscopy-and-Diffraction<br />
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So, in the mentioned EDS Spectrum, Vogel really only identifies three elements and he incorrectly interprets the continuum Bremsstrahlung emission with a whole bunch of element bands together.<br />
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This is the only EDS Spectrum produced by Vogel that I'm aware of where he tries to prove that there are many elements in the sample. If you have more evidence in the form of EDS Spectra (where he shows all the elements Sheila mentioned), I would love to see it. <br />
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== Sheila said ... ==<br />
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I agree with your comments Hawaiian and had much the same feelings as you. Gerswin is not the first and will not be the last. He refuses to state his full name and position and whether he has any patents or whether he has any experience in cold fusion (LOL, I was looking forward to his reply on that but again he never answered that question). <br />
Gerswin, why don't you try this. Get a hold of the American government and find out if you can test the metal of the craft which crashed at Roswell. Then you could test it out first hand. Let us know your results.<br />
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--[[User:Sheila|Sheila]] 17:26, 13 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Gerswin2002 said ... ==<br />
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OK, I hereby retract all my arguments on the grounds that I do not have as many patents as Marcel Vogel nor do I have his credentials. I did not find a remove option in my account, how can I delete them?<br />
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Now, I assume we all agree that it is OK for anyone to look at the evidence. I really need more references either in print or video where Vogel's data is presented. I already have the videos Contact and The Beamship. Are there more videos of Marcel Vogel showing his EDS X-Ray spectra?<br />
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How about Vogel's notebook, the one he shows in the video? does anyobody know where this notebook is? are there digital scans of it somewhere? The Metal Alloy section of this webpage seems to concentrate more on listing Vogel's patents than on the actual evidence he presented on the subject. By the way, none of the links to his IBM patents work.<br />
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--[[User:Gerswin2002|Gerswin2002]] 21:23, 13 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Sheila said ... ==<br />
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Again Gerswin - for what purpose? Are you just another debunker looking for his 15 minutes of fame? Well good luck with that.<br />
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--[[User:Sheila|Sheila]] 01:16, 14 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Gerswin2002 said ... ==<br />
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Sheila. Thanks anyway, I think I got all the information that I need. I'm writing an article for The Skeptical Inquirer. When it is published, you can finally see my credentials.<br />
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For now, feel free to check my complete analysis on our website:<br />
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http://www.iigwest.com/investigations/meier/metal_analysis_deconstruction.html<br />
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By the way, if you Google "Billy Meier Metal Samples" or "Marcel Vogel Metal Samples", our website shows first.<br />
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Cheers...<br />
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--[[User:Gerswin2002|Gerswin2002]] 04:45, 14 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Sheila said ... ==<br />
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Well that settles it then, you really are a nobody. Oh well, hope you enjoyed your 15 minutes and have a nice life.<br />
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--[[User:Sheila|Sheila]] 05:29, 14 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Gerswin2002 said ... ==<br />
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whatever you say Sheila. But I'm first on google search. <br />
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== Gerswin2002 said ... ==<br />
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...and you are a nobody too.<br />
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== Sheila said ... ==<br />
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Gerswin, I never claimed to be "someone" like you did. And quite frankly no one really cares about your damn ego. Funny on that stupid post of yours you claim that there are metal samples on earth that have all the elements, but you fail to provide any proof of their existence. LOL<br />
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--[[User:Sheila|Sheila]] 16:41, 14 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Sheila said ... ==<br />
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Here's a little background on what's going on here:<br />
http://theyflyblog.com/breaking-iig-skeptics-retract-claims-against-meier-case%E2%80%A6again/12/10/2011<br />
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--[[User:Sheila|Sheila]] 16:52, 14 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Gerswin2002 said ... ==<br />
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Thanks for letting me know about this communication from Jack Sarlo. I will get that straighten out immediately.<br />
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== Gerswin2002 said ... ==<br />
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I totally forgot to email Jack Sarlo back letting him know about the update.<br />
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--[[User:Gerswin2002|Gerswin2002]] 22:10, 14 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Gerswin2002 said ... ==<br />
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"you claim that there are metal samples on earth that have all the elements"<br />
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That's not what I said, this is exactly what I say: "It is quite common to find samples in the natural world that contain a wide variety of elements in them." and I present proof of it with an EDS Scan I took myself of a plain uninteresting rock. I detected Si, Al, Fe, O, Mg, Ca, and C. If I bleach the rock, I add Cl to it; if I rub toothpaste on it, I add Flourine and Nitrogen. All those will show in the EDS Scan and I can make the sample look as though all those elements are "bonded together while preserving their own identity".<br />
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In the BEAMSHIP, Vogel shows evidence of Fe, S, Si, Ag, and Al. There is no Tm, as he claims. He incorrectly misinterpreted the Bremsstrahlung emission and I show exactly why. So far, my earthly rock has more elements than Vogel's samples. <br />
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If there is an EDS X-Ray scan taken by him where he shows all the elements of the periodic table, it is NOT in The Beamship or in Contact. I will keep looking.<br />
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--[[User:Gerswin2002|Gerswin2002]] 04:04, 15 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Gerswin2002 said ... ==<br />
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From your own turf:<br />
http://theyflyblog.com/breaking-iig-skeptics-retract-claims-against-meier-case%E2%80%A6again/12/10/2011/untitled-1-copy-2<br />
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This is one of your own documents people. There is it: "Thulium, remarkably, showed only the primary band spike for that element--[in bold] no secondary bands existed".<br />
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That element was Aluminum, which has no secondary bands, and NOT Thulium. Thank you Michael Horn, I was worried that I wasn't listening right to the audio in the video.<br />
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--[[User:Gerswin2002|Gerswin2002]] 04:16, 15 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Sheila said ... ==<br />
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Well that's a sure sign of schizophrenia, arguing with yourself. I think you should get yourself checked out Gerswin. You have again failed to prove the existence any metal sample which contain ALL the elements. Sorry but your rock only has 7 elements or perhaps 9, if you fudge it (which you seem to be real good at). But nice try though.<br />
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--[[User:Sheila|Sheila]] 02:06, 17 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
</div></div>Sheilahttps://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/w/index.php?title=Talk:Scientific_Experts%27_Comments_on_Meier%27s_Evidence&diff=17797Talk:Scientific Experts' Comments on Meier's Evidence2011-12-14T16:52:33Z<p>Sheila: Comment provided by Sheila - via ArticleComments extension</p>
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== Sweet6b9 said ... ==<br />
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All other opinions asside, I have seen the proof that these contacts are real as the US Government has extensive records related to the fact that these contacts are real. I do not have these records but I am attesting to this fact for all to see. They have and are having contact with the Baffath and are working with them as evidenced by the Black Triangle ships that are being seen world wide. For Video Evidence search Triangle UFO or TR-3B online or on YouTube.<br />
Peace & Wisdom<br />
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== Gerswin2002 said ... ==<br />
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That metal is Aluminum and not Thulium. The EDS spectrum that Vogel shows corresponds to Aluminum with traces of Silver (see reference below). Thulium has a strong band at 1.462 KeV. This is very close to the Aluminum strong band at 1.486 KeV and without the "secondary bands" as Vogel himself noted. <br />
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I have experience with EDS X-Ray in Scanning Electron Microscopy; it is easy to confuse elements and, since there are no secondary bands, the metal is the very common element Aluminum and not the rare Thulium.<br />
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I'm surprise that in almost 30 years nobody noticed the mistake Vogel made in his analysis.<br />
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Reference: The "Thulium" Spectrum is shown at time mark 8:44 of the video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4koTWaohZxc&feature=related . Again, that is Aluminum with traces of Silver and not Thulium.<br />
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--[[User:Gerswin2002|Gerswin2002]] 19:04, 8 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Sheila said ... ==<br />
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Well Gerswin2002, I guess that's your opinion. Vogel did note the secondary band (which was there) but somehow you claim it wasn't? Any nut job can come on here and make all sorts of claims. Come on, tell us your real name and qualifications. Sorry but having "experience" does not make you an expert. I think I'll go with the guy who had numerous patents based on information gleaned from investigation. How many patents do you have?<br />
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--[[User:Sheila|Sheila]] 15:56, 11 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Sheila said ... ==<br />
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Sweet6b9, those black triangle craft are none other than your very own terrestrial black ops. They have been around for at least 30 years - no aliens involved. A former military person informed me he had seen ufo craft in a hangar as far back as the '50s. They were sworn to secrecy. He also said that it was common that U.S. military personelle were brainwashed after coming out of the bush to make sure they kept their mouths shut.<br />
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== Gerswin2002 said ... ==<br />
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Sweet: <br />
Aluminum and Thulium do have very close strong band (1.486 and 1.462 KeV respectively), you can verify that in the links below:<br />
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http://www.radiochemistry.org/periodictable/<br />
http://www.edax.com/literature/periodic.aspx<br />
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Vogel himself says the following (9:16 time mark of the video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4koTWaohZxc&feature=related ):<br />
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"Now, the remarkable thing that we noticed was that, yes we got this band here [points to the 1.462KeV] this is the only one that matched in the spectral analysis in the computer, but the secondary bands that are connected with it [points to the bands at 7.17 KeV and 6.34 KeV] were not present" And his spectrum reflects exactly what he says.<br />
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You can check what an EDS spectrum for Thulium looks like in http://www.cannonmicroprobe.com/XRay_%20Spectra.htm scroll down to find it. It looks nothing to what he shows.<br />
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The metal he shows is clearly Aluminum and not Thulium. The EDS computers, even today, get the element id wrong many times. Human intervention is required all the time for proper EDS element identification.<br />
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--[[User:Gerswin2002|Gerswin2002]] 01:27, 12 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Gerswin2002 said ... ==<br />
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"You can check what an EDS spectrum for Thulium looks like in http://www.cannonmicroprobe.com/XRay_%20Spectra.htm scroll down to find it. It looks nothing to what he shows." <br />
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Except for one band at presumably at 1.462KeV which I say is 1.486KeV.<br />
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Only solid, clear, and unambiguous evidence matters and not the person's credentials. Vogel DOES NOT have such evidence for Thulium. <br />
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By the way, if you have more EDS spectra presented by Vogel, I'd love to review them. Please post the links to them.<br />
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--[[User:Gerswin2002|Gerswin2002]] 01:38, 12 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Gerswin2002 said ... ==<br />
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Sheila,<br />
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As a matter of fact, please direct me to any posted EDS X-Ray Spectrum data collected by Vogel either in print or in video. I'm extremely interested in checking his data. I have been looking on the internet for the spectra he captured and I cannot find it.<br />
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I'm more interested in his data than in his opinions.<br />
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Thanks,<br />
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Gerswin<br />
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--[[User:Gerswin2002|Gerswin2002]] 01:43, 12 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Sheila said ... ==<br />
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Well Gerswin, the specimen contained "very pure silver and very pure aluminum, potassium, calcium, copper, argon, bromine, chlorine, iron, sulfer and silicon" and "an astonishing mixture of almost all of the elements in the periodic table". So based on that information I'm sure you'll find them all. I don't have a link. So what is your purpose in all of this? And how much experience do you have with cold fusion?<br />
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--[[User:Sheila|Sheila]] 05:19, 13 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Aloha Sheila,<br />
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I was going to spend some time doing research on Thulium, but decided you probably have a better answer to Gerswin2002 inquires which has just been demonstrated in the vast complexity of discrete elements that represents almost the entire periodic table including evidence micro-machining and indentations.<br />
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Even though if Gerswin2002 can prove that Thulium was actually Aluminum, does that ONE discrepancy invalidate the other elements that obviously are discrete in their unique characteristics bonded together Not but any heating processing (which would have destroyed their discreteness), BUT bonded by cold fusion, which is still NOT POSSIBLE by Earthly scientists!<br />
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Instead of waiting 30 plus years trying to discredit Vogel’s findings on this ONE element called Thulium, why hasn’t Gerswin2002 look into the other materials as well? Sometimes people are so obsessed on one belief or disbelief they forget to notice other things in life that keeps on evolving while they remain stagnated on this one issue in the vain hope of achieving the perfect solution. Nothing is perfect, otherwise there is no reason for creation to evolve further and that also applies to beliefs or dis beliefs.<br />
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So if Gerswin2002 wants to continue on his endeavors to prove Vogel’s findings on Thulium wrong and ignore the other more important materials that Billy and the Plejarens have brought forth, that is his prerogative and we wish him well in his efforts. I wouldn’t waste my time on something that is definitely not my problem since I’ve got better and more interesting things to do.<br />
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One thing that intrigues me about this metal specimen is what reason or reasons why it represents the entire periodic table of elements and being the hull of their spaceships which is metal, yet at the same time crystal, it must have much deeper meaning and/or purpose other than just being the outside material for their spaceships?<br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 06:58, 13 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Gerswin2002 said ... ==<br />
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Hawaiian and Sheila,<br />
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As a matter of fact, I also analysed the other EDS X-Ray spectrum where he claims that the sample contains many elements. This spectrum is found in http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4koTWaohZxc&feature=related at the time mark of 7:12. <br />
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Here he Vogel identifies the elements Silicon (1.740KeV), Sulfur (2.307KeV) , Iron (0.706 KeV, 6.403 KeV) and then he goes on to say that the there are many other very small elements bands and that he did not attempt to identify them. Si, S, and Fe may very well be there, but the rest of the spectrum are not element bands, but what in EDS Spectroscopy is known as Continuum Bremsstrahlung Emission. This radiation, though part of the EDS X-Ray Emission, does not contain useful information about the elements in the sample. See the references below for more info:<br />
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bremsstrahlung<br />
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/quantum/xrayc.html <br />
http://www.scribd.com/doc/31759852/7-EDS-WDS-X-Ray-Elemental-Micro-Analysis-Electron-Microscopy-and-Diffraction<br />
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So, in the mentioned EDS Spectrum, Vogel really only identifies three elements and he incorrectly interprets the continuum Bremsstrahlung emission with a whole bunch of element bands together.<br />
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This is the only EDS Spectrum produced by Vogel that I'm aware of where he tries to prove that there are many elements in the sample. If you have more evidence in the form of EDS Spectra (where he shows all the elements Sheila mentioned), I would love to see it. <br />
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--[[User:Gerswin2002|Gerswin2002]] 15:50, 13 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Sheila said ... ==<br />
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I agree with your comments Hawaiian and had much the same feelings as you. Gerswin is not the first and will not be the last. He refuses to state his full name and position and whether he has any patents or whether he has any experience in cold fusion (LOL, I was looking forward to his reply on that but again he never answered that question). <br />
Gerswin, why don't you try this. Get a hold of the American government and find out if you can test the metal of the craft which crashed at Roswell. Then you could test it out first hand. Let us know your results.<br />
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--[[User:Sheila|Sheila]] 17:26, 13 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Gerswin2002 said ... ==<br />
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OK, I hereby retract all my arguments on the grounds that I do not have as many patents as Marcel Vogel nor do I have his credentials. I did not find a remove option in my account, how can I delete them?<br />
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Now, I assume we all agree that it is OK for anyone to look at the evidence. I really need more references either in print or video where Vogel's data is presented. I already have the videos Contact and The Beamship. Are there more videos of Marcel Vogel showing his EDS X-Ray spectra?<br />
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How about Vogel's notebook, the one he shows in the video? does anyobody know where this notebook is? are there digital scans of it somewhere? The Metal Alloy section of this webpage seems to concentrate more on listing Vogel's patents than on the actual evidence he presented on the subject. By the way, none of the links to his IBM patents work.<br />
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--[[User:Gerswin2002|Gerswin2002]] 21:23, 13 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Sheila said ... ==<br />
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Again Gerswin - for what purpose? Are you just another debunker looking for his 15 minutes of fame? Well good luck with that.<br />
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--[[User:Sheila|Sheila]] 01:16, 14 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Gerswin2002 said ... ==<br />
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Sheila. Thanks anyway, I think I got all the information that I need. I'm writing an article for The Skeptical Inquirer. When it is published, you can finally see my credentials.<br />
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For now, feel free to check my complete analysis on our website:<br />
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http://www.iigwest.com/investigations/meier/metal_analysis_deconstruction.html<br />
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By the way, if you Google "Billy Meier Metal Samples" or "Marcel Vogel Metal Samples", our website shows first.<br />
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Cheers...<br />
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--[[User:Gerswin2002|Gerswin2002]] 04:45, 14 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Sheila said ... ==<br />
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Well that settles it then, you really are a nobody. Oh well, hope you enjoyed your 15 minutes and have a nice life.<br />
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--[[User:Sheila|Sheila]] 05:29, 14 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Gerswin2002 said ... ==<br />
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whatever you say Sheila. But I'm first on google search. <br />
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== Gerswin2002 said ... ==<br />
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...and you are a nobody too.<br />
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== Sheila said ... ==<br />
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Gerswin, I never claimed to be "someone" like you did. And quite frankly no one really cares about your damn ego. Funny on that stupid post of yours you claim that there are metal samples on earth that have all the elements, but you fail to provide any proof of their existence. LOL<br />
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--[[User:Sheila|Sheila]] 16:41, 14 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Sheila said ... ==<br />
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Here's a little background on what's going on here:<br />
http://theyflyblog.com/breaking-iig-skeptics-retract-claims-against-meier-case%E2%80%A6again/12/10/2011<br />
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--[[User:Sheila|Sheila]] 16:52, 14 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
</div></div>Sheilahttps://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/w/index.php?title=Talk:Scientific_Experts%27_Comments_on_Meier%27s_Evidence&diff=17796Talk:Scientific Experts' Comments on Meier's Evidence2011-12-14T16:41:26Z<p>Sheila: Comment provided by Sheila - via ArticleComments extension</p>
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== Sweet6b9 said ... ==<br />
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All other opinions asside, I have seen the proof that these contacts are real as the US Government has extensive records related to the fact that these contacts are real. I do not have these records but I am attesting to this fact for all to see. They have and are having contact with the Baffath and are working with them as evidenced by the Black Triangle ships that are being seen world wide. For Video Evidence search Triangle UFO or TR-3B online or on YouTube.<br />
Peace & Wisdom<br />
<br />
--[[User:Sweet6b9|Sweet6b9]] 23:52, 16 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Gerswin2002 said ... ==<br />
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That metal is Aluminum and not Thulium. The EDS spectrum that Vogel shows corresponds to Aluminum with traces of Silver (see reference below). Thulium has a strong band at 1.462 KeV. This is very close to the Aluminum strong band at 1.486 KeV and without the "secondary bands" as Vogel himself noted. <br />
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I have experience with EDS X-Ray in Scanning Electron Microscopy; it is easy to confuse elements and, since there are no secondary bands, the metal is the very common element Aluminum and not the rare Thulium.<br />
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I'm surprise that in almost 30 years nobody noticed the mistake Vogel made in his analysis.<br />
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Reference: The "Thulium" Spectrum is shown at time mark 8:44 of the video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4koTWaohZxc&feature=related . Again, that is Aluminum with traces of Silver and not Thulium.<br />
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--[[User:Gerswin2002|Gerswin2002]] 19:04, 8 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Sheila said ... ==<br />
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Well Gerswin2002, I guess that's your opinion. Vogel did note the secondary band (which was there) but somehow you claim it wasn't? Any nut job can come on here and make all sorts of claims. Come on, tell us your real name and qualifications. Sorry but having "experience" does not make you an expert. I think I'll go with the guy who had numerous patents based on information gleaned from investigation. How many patents do you have?<br />
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--[[User:Sheila|Sheila]] 15:56, 11 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Sheila said ... ==<br />
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Sweet6b9, those black triangle craft are none other than your very own terrestrial black ops. They have been around for at least 30 years - no aliens involved. A former military person informed me he had seen ufo craft in a hangar as far back as the '50s. They were sworn to secrecy. He also said that it was common that U.S. military personelle were brainwashed after coming out of the bush to make sure they kept their mouths shut.<br />
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--[[User:Sheila|Sheila]] 16:06, 11 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Gerswin2002 said ... ==<br />
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Sweet: <br />
Aluminum and Thulium do have very close strong band (1.486 and 1.462 KeV respectively), you can verify that in the links below:<br />
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http://www.radiochemistry.org/periodictable/<br />
http://www.edax.com/literature/periodic.aspx<br />
<br />
Vogel himself says the following (9:16 time mark of the video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4koTWaohZxc&feature=related ):<br />
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"Now, the remarkable thing that we noticed was that, yes we got this band here [points to the 1.462KeV] this is the only one that matched in the spectral analysis in the computer, but the secondary bands that are connected with it [points to the bands at 7.17 KeV and 6.34 KeV] were not present" And his spectrum reflects exactly what he says.<br />
<br />
You can check what an EDS spectrum for Thulium looks like in http://www.cannonmicroprobe.com/XRay_%20Spectra.htm scroll down to find it. It looks nothing to what he shows.<br />
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The metal he shows is clearly Aluminum and not Thulium. The EDS computers, even today, get the element id wrong many times. Human intervention is required all the time for proper EDS element identification.<br />
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--[[User:Gerswin2002|Gerswin2002]] 01:27, 12 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Gerswin2002 said ... ==<br />
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"You can check what an EDS spectrum for Thulium looks like in http://www.cannonmicroprobe.com/XRay_%20Spectra.htm scroll down to find it. It looks nothing to what he shows." <br />
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Except for one band at presumably at 1.462KeV which I say is 1.486KeV.<br />
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Only solid, clear, and unambiguous evidence matters and not the person's credentials. Vogel DOES NOT have such evidence for Thulium. <br />
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By the way, if you have more EDS spectra presented by Vogel, I'd love to review them. Please post the links to them.<br />
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--[[User:Gerswin2002|Gerswin2002]] 01:38, 12 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Gerswin2002 said ... ==<br />
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Sheila,<br />
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As a matter of fact, please direct me to any posted EDS X-Ray Spectrum data collected by Vogel either in print or in video. I'm extremely interested in checking his data. I have been looking on the internet for the spectra he captured and I cannot find it.<br />
<br />
I'm more interested in his data than in his opinions.<br />
<br />
Thanks,<br />
<br />
Gerswin<br />
<br />
--[[User:Gerswin2002|Gerswin2002]] 01:43, 12 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Sheila said ... ==<br />
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Well Gerswin, the specimen contained "very pure silver and very pure aluminum, potassium, calcium, copper, argon, bromine, chlorine, iron, sulfer and silicon" and "an astonishing mixture of almost all of the elements in the periodic table". So based on that information I'm sure you'll find them all. I don't have a link. So what is your purpose in all of this? And how much experience do you have with cold fusion?<br />
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--[[User:Sheila|Sheila]] 05:19, 13 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Aloha Sheila,<br />
<br />
I was going to spend some time doing research on Thulium, but decided you probably have a better answer to Gerswin2002 inquires which has just been demonstrated in the vast complexity of discrete elements that represents almost the entire periodic table including evidence micro-machining and indentations.<br />
<br />
Even though if Gerswin2002 can prove that Thulium was actually Aluminum, does that ONE discrepancy invalidate the other elements that obviously are discrete in their unique characteristics bonded together Not but any heating processing (which would have destroyed their discreteness), BUT bonded by cold fusion, which is still NOT POSSIBLE by Earthly scientists!<br />
<br />
Instead of waiting 30 plus years trying to discredit Vogel’s findings on this ONE element called Thulium, why hasn’t Gerswin2002 look into the other materials as well? Sometimes people are so obsessed on one belief or disbelief they forget to notice other things in life that keeps on evolving while they remain stagnated on this one issue in the vain hope of achieving the perfect solution. Nothing is perfect, otherwise there is no reason for creation to evolve further and that also applies to beliefs or dis beliefs.<br />
<br />
So if Gerswin2002 wants to continue on his endeavors to prove Vogel’s findings on Thulium wrong and ignore the other more important materials that Billy and the Plejarens have brought forth, that is his prerogative and we wish him well in his efforts. I wouldn’t waste my time on something that is definitely not my problem since I’ve got better and more interesting things to do.<br />
<br />
One thing that intrigues me about this metal specimen is what reason or reasons why it represents the entire periodic table of elements and being the hull of their spaceships which is metal, yet at the same time crystal, it must have much deeper meaning and/or purpose other than just being the outside material for their spaceships?<br />
<br />
<br />
--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 06:58, 13 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Gerswin2002 said ... ==<br />
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Hawaiian and Sheila,<br />
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As a matter of fact, I also analysed the other EDS X-Ray spectrum where he claims that the sample contains many elements. This spectrum is found in http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4koTWaohZxc&feature=related at the time mark of 7:12. <br />
<br />
Here he Vogel identifies the elements Silicon (1.740KeV), Sulfur (2.307KeV) , Iron (0.706 KeV, 6.403 KeV) and then he goes on to say that the there are many other very small elements bands and that he did not attempt to identify them. Si, S, and Fe may very well be there, but the rest of the spectrum are not element bands, but what in EDS Spectroscopy is known as Continuum Bremsstrahlung Emission. This radiation, though part of the EDS X-Ray Emission, does not contain useful information about the elements in the sample. See the references below for more info:<br />
<br />
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bremsstrahlung<br />
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/quantum/xrayc.html <br />
http://www.scribd.com/doc/31759852/7-EDS-WDS-X-Ray-Elemental-Micro-Analysis-Electron-Microscopy-and-Diffraction<br />
<br />
So, in the mentioned EDS Spectrum, Vogel really only identifies three elements and he incorrectly interprets the continuum Bremsstrahlung emission with a whole bunch of element bands together.<br />
<br />
This is the only EDS Spectrum produced by Vogel that I'm aware of where he tries to prove that there are many elements in the sample. If you have more evidence in the form of EDS Spectra (where he shows all the elements Sheila mentioned), I would love to see it. <br />
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--[[User:Gerswin2002|Gerswin2002]] 15:50, 13 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Sheila said ... ==<br />
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I agree with your comments Hawaiian and had much the same feelings as you. Gerswin is not the first and will not be the last. He refuses to state his full name and position and whether he has any patents or whether he has any experience in cold fusion (LOL, I was looking forward to his reply on that but again he never answered that question). <br />
Gerswin, why don't you try this. Get a hold of the American government and find out if you can test the metal of the craft which crashed at Roswell. Then you could test it out first hand. Let us know your results.<br />
<br />
--[[User:Sheila|Sheila]] 17:26, 13 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Gerswin2002 said ... ==<br />
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OK, I hereby retract all my arguments on the grounds that I do not have as many patents as Marcel Vogel nor do I have his credentials. I did not find a remove option in my account, how can I delete them?<br />
<br />
Now, I assume we all agree that it is OK for anyone to look at the evidence. I really need more references either in print or video where Vogel's data is presented. I already have the videos Contact and The Beamship. Are there more videos of Marcel Vogel showing his EDS X-Ray spectra?<br />
<br />
How about Vogel's notebook, the one he shows in the video? does anyobody know where this notebook is? are there digital scans of it somewhere? The Metal Alloy section of this webpage seems to concentrate more on listing Vogel's patents than on the actual evidence he presented on the subject. By the way, none of the links to his IBM patents work.<br />
<br />
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--[[User:Gerswin2002|Gerswin2002]] 21:23, 13 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Sheila said ... ==<br />
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Again Gerswin - for what purpose? Are you just another debunker looking for his 15 minutes of fame? Well good luck with that.<br />
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--[[User:Sheila|Sheila]] 01:16, 14 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Gerswin2002 said ... ==<br />
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Sheila. Thanks anyway, I think I got all the information that I need. I'm writing an article for The Skeptical Inquirer. When it is published, you can finally see my credentials.<br />
<br />
For now, feel free to check my complete analysis on our website:<br />
<br />
http://www.iigwest.com/investigations/meier/metal_analysis_deconstruction.html<br />
<br />
By the way, if you Google "Billy Meier Metal Samples" or "Marcel Vogel Metal Samples", our website shows first.<br />
<br />
Cheers...<br />
<br />
--[[User:Gerswin2002|Gerswin2002]] 04:45, 14 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Sheila said ... ==<br />
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Well that settles it then, you really are a nobody. Oh well, hope you enjoyed your 15 minutes and have a nice life.<br />
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--[[User:Sheila|Sheila]] 05:29, 14 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Gerswin2002 said ... ==<br />
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whatever you say Sheila. But I'm first on google search. <br />
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== Gerswin2002 said ... ==<br />
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...and you are a nobody too.<br />
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--[[User:Gerswin2002|Gerswin2002]] 05:44, 14 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Sheila said ... ==<br />
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Gerswin, I never claimed to be "someone" like you did. And quite frankly no one really cares about your damn ego. Funny on that stupid post of yours you claim that there are metal samples on earth that have all the elements, but you fail to provide any proof of their existence. LOL<br />
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--[[User:Sheila|Sheila]] 16:41, 14 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
</div></div>Sheilahttps://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/w/index.php?title=Talk:Scientific_Experts%27_Comments_on_Meier%27s_Evidence&diff=17793Talk:Scientific Experts' Comments on Meier's Evidence2011-12-14T05:29:32Z<p>Sheila: Comment provided by Sheila - via ArticleComments extension</p>
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== Sweet6b9 said ... ==<br />
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All other opinions asside, I have seen the proof that these contacts are real as the US Government has extensive records related to the fact that these contacts are real. I do not have these records but I am attesting to this fact for all to see. They have and are having contact with the Baffath and are working with them as evidenced by the Black Triangle ships that are being seen world wide. For Video Evidence search Triangle UFO or TR-3B online or on YouTube.<br />
Peace & Wisdom<br />
<br />
--[[User:Sweet6b9|Sweet6b9]] 23:52, 16 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Gerswin2002 said ... ==<br />
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That metal is Aluminum and not Thulium. The EDS spectrum that Vogel shows corresponds to Aluminum with traces of Silver (see reference below). Thulium has a strong band at 1.462 KeV. This is very close to the Aluminum strong band at 1.486 KeV and without the "secondary bands" as Vogel himself noted. <br />
<br />
I have experience with EDS X-Ray in Scanning Electron Microscopy; it is easy to confuse elements and, since there are no secondary bands, the metal is the very common element Aluminum and not the rare Thulium.<br />
<br />
I'm surprise that in almost 30 years nobody noticed the mistake Vogel made in his analysis.<br />
<br />
Reference: The "Thulium" Spectrum is shown at time mark 8:44 of the video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4koTWaohZxc&feature=related . Again, that is Aluminum with traces of Silver and not Thulium.<br />
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--[[User:Gerswin2002|Gerswin2002]] 19:04, 8 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Sheila said ... ==<br />
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Well Gerswin2002, I guess that's your opinion. Vogel did note the secondary band (which was there) but somehow you claim it wasn't? Any nut job can come on here and make all sorts of claims. Come on, tell us your real name and qualifications. Sorry but having "experience" does not make you an expert. I think I'll go with the guy who had numerous patents based on information gleaned from investigation. How many patents do you have?<br />
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--[[User:Sheila|Sheila]] 15:56, 11 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Sheila said ... ==<br />
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Sweet6b9, those black triangle craft are none other than your very own terrestrial black ops. They have been around for at least 30 years - no aliens involved. A former military person informed me he had seen ufo craft in a hangar as far back as the '50s. They were sworn to secrecy. He also said that it was common that U.S. military personelle were brainwashed after coming out of the bush to make sure they kept their mouths shut.<br />
<br />
--[[User:Sheila|Sheila]] 16:06, 11 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Gerswin2002 said ... ==<br />
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Sweet: <br />
Aluminum and Thulium do have very close strong band (1.486 and 1.462 KeV respectively), you can verify that in the links below:<br />
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http://www.radiochemistry.org/periodictable/<br />
http://www.edax.com/literature/periodic.aspx<br />
<br />
Vogel himself says the following (9:16 time mark of the video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4koTWaohZxc&feature=related ):<br />
<br />
"Now, the remarkable thing that we noticed was that, yes we got this band here [points to the 1.462KeV] this is the only one that matched in the spectral analysis in the computer, but the secondary bands that are connected with it [points to the bands at 7.17 KeV and 6.34 KeV] were not present" And his spectrum reflects exactly what he says.<br />
<br />
You can check what an EDS spectrum for Thulium looks like in http://www.cannonmicroprobe.com/XRay_%20Spectra.htm scroll down to find it. It looks nothing to what he shows.<br />
<br />
The metal he shows is clearly Aluminum and not Thulium. The EDS computers, even today, get the element id wrong many times. Human intervention is required all the time for proper EDS element identification.<br />
<br />
--[[User:Gerswin2002|Gerswin2002]] 01:27, 12 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Gerswin2002 said ... ==<br />
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"You can check what an EDS spectrum for Thulium looks like in http://www.cannonmicroprobe.com/XRay_%20Spectra.htm scroll down to find it. It looks nothing to what he shows." <br />
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Except for one band at presumably at 1.462KeV which I say is 1.486KeV.<br />
<br />
Only solid, clear, and unambiguous evidence matters and not the person's credentials. Vogel DOES NOT have such evidence for Thulium. <br />
<br />
By the way, if you have more EDS spectra presented by Vogel, I'd love to review them. Please post the links to them.<br />
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--[[User:Gerswin2002|Gerswin2002]] 01:38, 12 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Gerswin2002 said ... ==<br />
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Sheila,<br />
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As a matter of fact, please direct me to any posted EDS X-Ray Spectrum data collected by Vogel either in print or in video. I'm extremely interested in checking his data. I have been looking on the internet for the spectra he captured and I cannot find it.<br />
<br />
I'm more interested in his data than in his opinions.<br />
<br />
Thanks,<br />
<br />
Gerswin<br />
<br />
--[[User:Gerswin2002|Gerswin2002]] 01:43, 12 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Sheila said ... ==<br />
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Well Gerswin, the specimen contained "very pure silver and very pure aluminum, potassium, calcium, copper, argon, bromine, chlorine, iron, sulfer and silicon" and "an astonishing mixture of almost all of the elements in the periodic table". So based on that information I'm sure you'll find them all. I don't have a link. So what is your purpose in all of this? And how much experience do you have with cold fusion?<br />
<br />
--[[User:Sheila|Sheila]] 05:19, 13 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Aloha Sheila,<br />
<br />
I was going to spend some time doing research on Thulium, but decided you probably have a better answer to Gerswin2002 inquires which has just been demonstrated in the vast complexity of discrete elements that represents almost the entire periodic table including evidence micro-machining and indentations.<br />
<br />
Even though if Gerswin2002 can prove that Thulium was actually Aluminum, does that ONE discrepancy invalidate the other elements that obviously are discrete in their unique characteristics bonded together Not but any heating processing (which would have destroyed their discreteness), BUT bonded by cold fusion, which is still NOT POSSIBLE by Earthly scientists!<br />
<br />
Instead of waiting 30 plus years trying to discredit Vogel’s findings on this ONE element called Thulium, why hasn’t Gerswin2002 look into the other materials as well? Sometimes people are so obsessed on one belief or disbelief they forget to notice other things in life that keeps on evolving while they remain stagnated on this one issue in the vain hope of achieving the perfect solution. Nothing is perfect, otherwise there is no reason for creation to evolve further and that also applies to beliefs or dis beliefs.<br />
<br />
So if Gerswin2002 wants to continue on his endeavors to prove Vogel’s findings on Thulium wrong and ignore the other more important materials that Billy and the Plejarens have brought forth, that is his prerogative and we wish him well in his efforts. I wouldn’t waste my time on something that is definitely not my problem since I’ve got better and more interesting things to do.<br />
<br />
One thing that intrigues me about this metal specimen is what reason or reasons why it represents the entire periodic table of elements and being the hull of their spaceships which is metal, yet at the same time crystal, it must have much deeper meaning and/or purpose other than just being the outside material for their spaceships?<br />
<br />
<br />
--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 06:58, 13 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Gerswin2002 said ... ==<br />
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Hawaiian and Sheila,<br />
<br />
As a matter of fact, I also analysed the other EDS X-Ray spectrum where he claims that the sample contains many elements. This spectrum is found in http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4koTWaohZxc&feature=related at the time mark of 7:12. <br />
<br />
Here he Vogel identifies the elements Silicon (1.740KeV), Sulfur (2.307KeV) , Iron (0.706 KeV, 6.403 KeV) and then he goes on to say that the there are many other very small elements bands and that he did not attempt to identify them. Si, S, and Fe may very well be there, but the rest of the spectrum are not element bands, but what in EDS Spectroscopy is known as Continuum Bremsstrahlung Emission. This radiation, though part of the EDS X-Ray Emission, does not contain useful information about the elements in the sample. See the references below for more info:<br />
<br />
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bremsstrahlung<br />
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/quantum/xrayc.html <br />
http://www.scribd.com/doc/31759852/7-EDS-WDS-X-Ray-Elemental-Micro-Analysis-Electron-Microscopy-and-Diffraction<br />
<br />
So, in the mentioned EDS Spectrum, Vogel really only identifies three elements and he incorrectly interprets the continuum Bremsstrahlung emission with a whole bunch of element bands together.<br />
<br />
This is the only EDS Spectrum produced by Vogel that I'm aware of where he tries to prove that there are many elements in the sample. If you have more evidence in the form of EDS Spectra (where he shows all the elements Sheila mentioned), I would love to see it. <br />
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--[[User:Gerswin2002|Gerswin2002]] 15:50, 13 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Sheila said ... ==<br />
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I agree with your comments Hawaiian and had much the same feelings as you. Gerswin is not the first and will not be the last. He refuses to state his full name and position and whether he has any patents or whether he has any experience in cold fusion (LOL, I was looking forward to his reply on that but again he never answered that question). <br />
Gerswin, why don't you try this. Get a hold of the American government and find out if you can test the metal of the craft which crashed at Roswell. Then you could test it out first hand. Let us know your results.<br />
<br />
--[[User:Sheila|Sheila]] 17:26, 13 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Gerswin2002 said ... ==<br />
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OK, I hereby retract all my arguments on the grounds that I do not have as many patents as Marcel Vogel nor do I have his credentials. I did not find a remove option in my account, how can I delete them?<br />
<br />
Now, I assume we all agree that it is OK for anyone to look at the evidence. I really need more references either in print or video where Vogel's data is presented. I already have the videos Contact and The Beamship. Are there more videos of Marcel Vogel showing his EDS X-Ray spectra?<br />
<br />
How about Vogel's notebook, the one he shows in the video? does anyobody know where this notebook is? are there digital scans of it somewhere? The Metal Alloy section of this webpage seems to concentrate more on listing Vogel's patents than on the actual evidence he presented on the subject. By the way, none of the links to his IBM patents work.<br />
<br />
<br />
--[[User:Gerswin2002|Gerswin2002]] 21:23, 13 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Sheila said ... ==<br />
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Again Gerswin - for what purpose? Are you just another debunker looking for his 15 minutes of fame? Well good luck with that.<br />
<br />
--[[User:Sheila|Sheila]] 01:16, 14 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Gerswin2002 said ... ==<br />
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Sheila. Thanks anyway, I think I got all the information that I need. I'm writing an article for The Skeptical Inquirer. When it is published, you can finally see my credentials.<br />
<br />
For now, feel free to check my complete analysis on our website:<br />
<br />
http://www.iigwest.com/investigations/meier/metal_analysis_deconstruction.html<br />
<br />
By the way, if you Google "Billy Meier Metal Samples" or "Marcel Vogel Metal Samples", our website shows first.<br />
<br />
Cheers...<br />
<br />
--[[User:Gerswin2002|Gerswin2002]] 04:45, 14 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Sheila said ... ==<br />
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Well that settles it then, you really are a nobody. Oh well, hope you enjoyed your 15 minutes and have a nice life.<br />
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--[[User:Sheila|Sheila]] 05:29, 14 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
</div></div>Sheilahttps://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/w/index.php?title=Talk:Scientific_Experts%27_Comments_on_Meier%27s_Evidence&diff=17787Talk:Scientific Experts' Comments on Meier's Evidence2011-12-14T01:16:21Z<p>Sheila: Comment provided by Sheila - via ArticleComments extension</p>
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== Sweet6b9 said ... ==<br />
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All other opinions asside, I have seen the proof that these contacts are real as the US Government has extensive records related to the fact that these contacts are real. I do not have these records but I am attesting to this fact for all to see. They have and are having contact with the Baffath and are working with them as evidenced by the Black Triangle ships that are being seen world wide. For Video Evidence search Triangle UFO or TR-3B online or on YouTube.<br />
Peace & Wisdom<br />
<br />
--[[User:Sweet6b9|Sweet6b9]] 23:52, 16 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Gerswin2002 said ... ==<br />
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That metal is Aluminum and not Thulium. The EDS spectrum that Vogel shows corresponds to Aluminum with traces of Silver (see reference below). Thulium has a strong band at 1.462 KeV. This is very close to the Aluminum strong band at 1.486 KeV and without the "secondary bands" as Vogel himself noted. <br />
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I have experience with EDS X-Ray in Scanning Electron Microscopy; it is easy to confuse elements and, since there are no secondary bands, the metal is the very common element Aluminum and not the rare Thulium.<br />
<br />
I'm surprise that in almost 30 years nobody noticed the mistake Vogel made in his analysis.<br />
<br />
Reference: The "Thulium" Spectrum is shown at time mark 8:44 of the video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4koTWaohZxc&feature=related . Again, that is Aluminum with traces of Silver and not Thulium.<br />
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--[[User:Gerswin2002|Gerswin2002]] 19:04, 8 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Sheila said ... ==<br />
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Well Gerswin2002, I guess that's your opinion. Vogel did note the secondary band (which was there) but somehow you claim it wasn't? Any nut job can come on here and make all sorts of claims. Come on, tell us your real name and qualifications. Sorry but having "experience" does not make you an expert. I think I'll go with the guy who had numerous patents based on information gleaned from investigation. How many patents do you have?<br />
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--[[User:Sheila|Sheila]] 15:56, 11 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Sheila said ... ==<br />
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Sweet6b9, those black triangle craft are none other than your very own terrestrial black ops. They have been around for at least 30 years - no aliens involved. A former military person informed me he had seen ufo craft in a hangar as far back as the '50s. They were sworn to secrecy. He also said that it was common that U.S. military personelle were brainwashed after coming out of the bush to make sure they kept their mouths shut.<br />
<br />
--[[User:Sheila|Sheila]] 16:06, 11 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Gerswin2002 said ... ==<br />
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Sweet: <br />
Aluminum and Thulium do have very close strong band (1.486 and 1.462 KeV respectively), you can verify that in the links below:<br />
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http://www.radiochemistry.org/periodictable/<br />
http://www.edax.com/literature/periodic.aspx<br />
<br />
Vogel himself says the following (9:16 time mark of the video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4koTWaohZxc&feature=related ):<br />
<br />
"Now, the remarkable thing that we noticed was that, yes we got this band here [points to the 1.462KeV] this is the only one that matched in the spectral analysis in the computer, but the secondary bands that are connected with it [points to the bands at 7.17 KeV and 6.34 KeV] were not present" And his spectrum reflects exactly what he says.<br />
<br />
You can check what an EDS spectrum for Thulium looks like in http://www.cannonmicroprobe.com/XRay_%20Spectra.htm scroll down to find it. It looks nothing to what he shows.<br />
<br />
The metal he shows is clearly Aluminum and not Thulium. The EDS computers, even today, get the element id wrong many times. Human intervention is required all the time for proper EDS element identification.<br />
<br />
--[[User:Gerswin2002|Gerswin2002]] 01:27, 12 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Gerswin2002 said ... ==<br />
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"You can check what an EDS spectrum for Thulium looks like in http://www.cannonmicroprobe.com/XRay_%20Spectra.htm scroll down to find it. It looks nothing to what he shows." <br />
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Except for one band at presumably at 1.462KeV which I say is 1.486KeV.<br />
<br />
Only solid, clear, and unambiguous evidence matters and not the person's credentials. Vogel DOES NOT have such evidence for Thulium. <br />
<br />
By the way, if you have more EDS spectra presented by Vogel, I'd love to review them. Please post the links to them.<br />
<br />
--[[User:Gerswin2002|Gerswin2002]] 01:38, 12 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Gerswin2002 said ... ==<br />
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Sheila,<br />
<br />
As a matter of fact, please direct me to any posted EDS X-Ray Spectrum data collected by Vogel either in print or in video. I'm extremely interested in checking his data. I have been looking on the internet for the spectra he captured and I cannot find it.<br />
<br />
I'm more interested in his data than in his opinions.<br />
<br />
Thanks,<br />
<br />
Gerswin<br />
<br />
--[[User:Gerswin2002|Gerswin2002]] 01:43, 12 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Sheila said ... ==<br />
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Well Gerswin, the specimen contained "very pure silver and very pure aluminum, potassium, calcium, copper, argon, bromine, chlorine, iron, sulfer and silicon" and "an astonishing mixture of almost all of the elements in the periodic table". So based on that information I'm sure you'll find them all. I don't have a link. So what is your purpose in all of this? And how much experience do you have with cold fusion?<br />
<br />
--[[User:Sheila|Sheila]] 05:19, 13 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Aloha Sheila,<br />
<br />
I was going to spend some time doing research on Thulium, but decided you probably have a better answer to Gerswin2002 inquires which has just been demonstrated in the vast complexity of discrete elements that represents almost the entire periodic table including evidence micro-machining and indentations.<br />
<br />
Even though if Gerswin2002 can prove that Thulium was actually Aluminum, does that ONE discrepancy invalidate the other elements that obviously are discrete in their unique characteristics bonded together Not but any heating processing (which would have destroyed their discreteness), BUT bonded by cold fusion, which is still NOT POSSIBLE by Earthly scientists!<br />
<br />
Instead of waiting 30 plus years trying to discredit Vogel’s findings on this ONE element called Thulium, why hasn’t Gerswin2002 look into the other materials as well? Sometimes people are so obsessed on one belief or disbelief they forget to notice other things in life that keeps on evolving while they remain stagnated on this one issue in the vain hope of achieving the perfect solution. Nothing is perfect, otherwise there is no reason for creation to evolve further and that also applies to beliefs or dis beliefs.<br />
<br />
So if Gerswin2002 wants to continue on his endeavors to prove Vogel’s findings on Thulium wrong and ignore the other more important materials that Billy and the Plejarens have brought forth, that is his prerogative and we wish him well in his efforts. I wouldn’t waste my time on something that is definitely not my problem since I’ve got better and more interesting things to do.<br />
<br />
One thing that intrigues me about this metal specimen is what reason or reasons why it represents the entire periodic table of elements and being the hull of their spaceships which is metal, yet at the same time crystal, it must have much deeper meaning and/or purpose other than just being the outside material for their spaceships?<br />
<br />
<br />
--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 06:58, 13 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Gerswin2002 said ... ==<br />
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Hawaiian and Sheila,<br />
<br />
As a matter of fact, I also analysed the other EDS X-Ray spectrum where he claims that the sample contains many elements. This spectrum is found in http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4koTWaohZxc&feature=related at the time mark of 7:12. <br />
<br />
Here he Vogel identifies the elements Silicon (1.740KeV), Sulfur (2.307KeV) , Iron (0.706 KeV, 6.403 KeV) and then he goes on to say that the there are many other very small elements bands and that he did not attempt to identify them. Si, S, and Fe may very well be there, but the rest of the spectrum are not element bands, but what in EDS Spectroscopy is known as Continuum Bremsstrahlung Emission. This radiation, though part of the EDS X-Ray Emission, does not contain useful information about the elements in the sample. See the references below for more info:<br />
<br />
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bremsstrahlung<br />
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/quantum/xrayc.html <br />
http://www.scribd.com/doc/31759852/7-EDS-WDS-X-Ray-Elemental-Micro-Analysis-Electron-Microscopy-and-Diffraction<br />
<br />
So, in the mentioned EDS Spectrum, Vogel really only identifies three elements and he incorrectly interprets the continuum Bremsstrahlung emission with a whole bunch of element bands together.<br />
<br />
This is the only EDS Spectrum produced by Vogel that I'm aware of where he tries to prove that there are many elements in the sample. If you have more evidence in the form of EDS Spectra (where he shows all the elements Sheila mentioned), I would love to see it. <br />
<br />
--[[User:Gerswin2002|Gerswin2002]] 15:50, 13 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Sheila said ... ==<br />
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I agree with your comments Hawaiian and had much the same feelings as you. Gerswin is not the first and will not be the last. He refuses to state his full name and position and whether he has any patents or whether he has any experience in cold fusion (LOL, I was looking forward to his reply on that but again he never answered that question). <br />
Gerswin, why don't you try this. Get a hold of the American government and find out if you can test the metal of the craft which crashed at Roswell. Then you could test it out first hand. Let us know your results.<br />
<br />
--[[User:Sheila|Sheila]] 17:26, 13 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Gerswin2002 said ... ==<br />
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OK, I hereby retract all my arguments on the grounds that I do not have as many patents as Marcel Vogel nor do I have his credentials. I did not find a remove option in my account, how can I delete them?<br />
<br />
Now, I assume we all agree that it is OK for anyone to look at the evidence. I really need more references either in print or video where Vogel's data is presented. I already have the videos Contact and The Beamship. Are there more videos of Marcel Vogel showing his EDS X-Ray spectra?<br />
<br />
How about Vogel's notebook, the one he shows in the video? does anyobody know where this notebook is? are there digital scans of it somewhere? The Metal Alloy section of this webpage seems to concentrate more on listing Vogel's patents than on the actual evidence he presented on the subject. By the way, none of the links to his IBM patents work.<br />
<br />
<br />
--[[User:Gerswin2002|Gerswin2002]] 21:23, 13 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Sheila said ... ==<br />
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Again Gerswin - for what purpose? Are you just another debunker looking for his 15 minutes of fame? Well good luck with that.<br />
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--[[User:Sheila|Sheila]] 01:16, 14 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
</div></div>Sheilahttps://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/w/index.php?title=Talk:Scientific_Experts%27_Comments_on_Meier%27s_Evidence&diff=17782Talk:Scientific Experts' Comments on Meier's Evidence2011-12-13T17:26:23Z<p>Sheila: Comment provided by Sheila - via ArticleComments extension</p>
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== Sweet6b9 said ... ==<br />
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All other opinions asside, I have seen the proof that these contacts are real as the US Government has extensive records related to the fact that these contacts are real. I do not have these records but I am attesting to this fact for all to see. They have and are having contact with the Baffath and are working with them as evidenced by the Black Triangle ships that are being seen world wide. For Video Evidence search Triangle UFO or TR-3B online or on YouTube.<br />
Peace & Wisdom<br />
<br />
--[[User:Sweet6b9|Sweet6b9]] 23:52, 16 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Gerswin2002 said ... ==<br />
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That metal is Aluminum and not Thulium. The EDS spectrum that Vogel shows corresponds to Aluminum with traces of Silver (see reference below). Thulium has a strong band at 1.462 KeV. This is very close to the Aluminum strong band at 1.486 KeV and without the "secondary bands" as Vogel himself noted. <br />
<br />
I have experience with EDS X-Ray in Scanning Electron Microscopy; it is easy to confuse elements and, since there are no secondary bands, the metal is the very common element Aluminum and not the rare Thulium.<br />
<br />
I'm surprise that in almost 30 years nobody noticed the mistake Vogel made in his analysis.<br />
<br />
Reference: The "Thulium" Spectrum is shown at time mark 8:44 of the video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4koTWaohZxc&feature=related . Again, that is Aluminum with traces of Silver and not Thulium.<br />
<br />
--[[User:Gerswin2002|Gerswin2002]] 19:04, 8 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Sheila said ... ==<br />
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Well Gerswin2002, I guess that's your opinion. Vogel did note the secondary band (which was there) but somehow you claim it wasn't? Any nut job can come on here and make all sorts of claims. Come on, tell us your real name and qualifications. Sorry but having "experience" does not make you an expert. I think I'll go with the guy who had numerous patents based on information gleaned from investigation. How many patents do you have?<br />
<br />
--[[User:Sheila|Sheila]] 15:56, 11 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Sheila said ... ==<br />
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Sweet6b9, those black triangle craft are none other than your very own terrestrial black ops. They have been around for at least 30 years - no aliens involved. A former military person informed me he had seen ufo craft in a hangar as far back as the '50s. They were sworn to secrecy. He also said that it was common that U.S. military personelle were brainwashed after coming out of the bush to make sure they kept their mouths shut.<br />
<br />
--[[User:Sheila|Sheila]] 16:06, 11 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Gerswin2002 said ... ==<br />
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Sweet: <br />
Aluminum and Thulium do have very close strong band (1.486 and 1.462 KeV respectively), you can verify that in the links below:<br />
<br />
http://www.radiochemistry.org/periodictable/<br />
http://www.edax.com/literature/periodic.aspx<br />
<br />
Vogel himself says the following (9:16 time mark of the video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4koTWaohZxc&feature=related ):<br />
<br />
"Now, the remarkable thing that we noticed was that, yes we got this band here [points to the 1.462KeV] this is the only one that matched in the spectral analysis in the computer, but the secondary bands that are connected with it [points to the bands at 7.17 KeV and 6.34 KeV] were not present" And his spectrum reflects exactly what he says.<br />
<br />
You can check what an EDS spectrum for Thulium looks like in http://www.cannonmicroprobe.com/XRay_%20Spectra.htm scroll down to find it. It looks nothing to what he shows.<br />
<br />
The metal he shows is clearly Aluminum and not Thulium. The EDS computers, even today, get the element id wrong many times. Human intervention is required all the time for proper EDS element identification.<br />
<br />
--[[User:Gerswin2002|Gerswin2002]] 01:27, 12 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Gerswin2002 said ... ==<br />
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"You can check what an EDS spectrum for Thulium looks like in http://www.cannonmicroprobe.com/XRay_%20Spectra.htm scroll down to find it. It looks nothing to what he shows." <br />
<br />
Except for one band at presumably at 1.462KeV which I say is 1.486KeV.<br />
<br />
Only solid, clear, and unambiguous evidence matters and not the person's credentials. Vogel DOES NOT have such evidence for Thulium. <br />
<br />
By the way, if you have more EDS spectra presented by Vogel, I'd love to review them. Please post the links to them.<br />
<br />
--[[User:Gerswin2002|Gerswin2002]] 01:38, 12 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Gerswin2002 said ... ==<br />
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Sheila,<br />
<br />
As a matter of fact, please direct me to any posted EDS X-Ray Spectrum data collected by Vogel either in print or in video. I'm extremely interested in checking his data. I have been looking on the internet for the spectra he captured and I cannot find it.<br />
<br />
I'm more interested in his data than in his opinions.<br />
<br />
Thanks,<br />
<br />
Gerswin<br />
<br />
--[[User:Gerswin2002|Gerswin2002]] 01:43, 12 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Sheila said ... ==<br />
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Well Gerswin, the specimen contained "very pure silver and very pure aluminum, potassium, calcium, copper, argon, bromine, chlorine, iron, sulfer and silicon" and "an astonishing mixture of almost all of the elements in the periodic table". So based on that information I'm sure you'll find them all. I don't have a link. So what is your purpose in all of this? And how much experience do you have with cold fusion?<br />
<br />
--[[User:Sheila|Sheila]] 05:19, 13 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Aloha Sheila,<br />
<br />
I was going to spend some time doing research on Thulium, but decided you probably have a better answer to Gerswin2002 inquires which has just been demonstrated in the vast complexity of discrete elements that represents almost the entire periodic table including evidence micro-machining and indentations.<br />
<br />
Even though if Gerswin2002 can prove that Thulium was actually Aluminum, does that ONE discrepancy invalidate the other elements that obviously are discrete in their unique characteristics bonded together Not but any heating processing (which would have destroyed their discreteness), BUT bonded by cold fusion, which is still NOT POSSIBLE by Earthly scientists!<br />
<br />
Instead of waiting 30 plus years trying to discredit Vogel’s findings on this ONE element called Thulium, why hasn’t Gerswin2002 look into the other materials as well? Sometimes people are so obsessed on one belief or disbelief they forget to notice other things in life that keeps on evolving while they remain stagnated on this one issue in the vain hope of achieving the perfect solution. Nothing is perfect, otherwise there is no reason for creation to evolve further and that also applies to beliefs or dis beliefs.<br />
<br />
So if Gerswin2002 wants to continue on his endeavors to prove Vogel’s findings on Thulium wrong and ignore the other more important materials that Billy and the Plejarens have brought forth, that is his prerogative and we wish him well in his efforts. I wouldn’t waste my time on something that is definitely not my problem since I’ve got better and more interesting things to do.<br />
<br />
One thing that intrigues me about this metal specimen is what reason or reasons why it represents the entire periodic table of elements and being the hull of their spaceships which is metal, yet at the same time crystal, it must have much deeper meaning and/or purpose other than just being the outside material for their spaceships?<br />
<br />
<br />
--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 06:58, 13 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Gerswin2002 said ... ==<br />
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Hawaiian and Sheila,<br />
<br />
As a matter of fact, I also analysed the other EDS X-Ray spectrum where he claims that the sample contains many elements. This spectrum is found in http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4koTWaohZxc&feature=related at the time mark of 7:12. <br />
<br />
Here he Vogel identifies the elements Silicon (1.740KeV), Sulfur (2.307KeV) , Iron (0.706 KeV, 6.403 KeV) and then he goes on to say that the there are many other very small elements bands and that he did not attempt to identify them. Si, S, and Fe may very well be there, but the rest of the spectrum are not element bands, but what in EDS Spectroscopy is known as Continuum Bremsstrahlung Emission. This radiation, though part of the EDS X-Ray Emission, does not contain useful information about the elements in the sample. See the references below for more info:<br />
<br />
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bremsstrahlung<br />
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/quantum/xrayc.html <br />
http://www.scribd.com/doc/31759852/7-EDS-WDS-X-Ray-Elemental-Micro-Analysis-Electron-Microscopy-and-Diffraction<br />
<br />
So, in the mentioned EDS Spectrum, Vogel really only identifies three elements and he incorrectly interprets the continuum Bremsstrahlung emission with a whole bunch of element bands together.<br />
<br />
This is the only EDS Spectrum produced by Vogel that I'm aware of where he tries to prove that there are many elements in the sample. If you have more evidence in the form of EDS Spectra (where he shows all the elements Sheila mentioned), I would love to see it. <br />
<br />
--[[User:Gerswin2002|Gerswin2002]] 15:50, 13 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Sheila said ... ==<br />
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I agree with your comments Hawaiian and had much the same feelings as you. Gerswin is not the first and will not be the last. He refuses to state his full name and position and whether he has any patents or whether he has any experience in cold fusion (LOL, I was looking forward to his reply on that but again he never answered that question). <br />
Gerswin, why don't you try this. Get a hold of the American government and find out if you can test the metal of the craft which crashed at Roswell. Then you could test it out first hand. Let us know your results.<br />
<br />
--[[User:Sheila|Sheila]] 17:26, 13 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
</div></div>Sheilahttps://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/w/index.php?title=Talk:Scientific_Experts%27_Comments_on_Meier%27s_Evidence&diff=17779Talk:Scientific Experts' Comments on Meier's Evidence2011-12-13T05:19:59Z<p>Sheila: Comment provided by Sheila - via ArticleComments extension</p>
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== Sweet6b9 said ... ==<br />
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All other opinions asside, I have seen the proof that these contacts are real as the US Government has extensive records related to the fact that these contacts are real. I do not have these records but I am attesting to this fact for all to see. They have and are having contact with the Baffath and are working with them as evidenced by the Black Triangle ships that are being seen world wide. For Video Evidence search Triangle UFO or TR-3B online or on YouTube.<br />
Peace & Wisdom<br />
<br />
--[[User:Sweet6b9|Sweet6b9]] 23:52, 16 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Gerswin2002 said ... ==<br />
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That metal is Aluminum and not Thulium. The EDS spectrum that Vogel shows corresponds to Aluminum with traces of Silver (see reference below). Thulium has a strong band at 1.462 KeV. This is very close to the Aluminum strong band at 1.486 KeV and without the "secondary bands" as Vogel himself noted. <br />
<br />
I have experience with EDS X-Ray in Scanning Electron Microscopy; it is easy to confuse elements and, since there are no secondary bands, the metal is the very common element Aluminum and not the rare Thulium.<br />
<br />
I'm surprise that in almost 30 years nobody noticed the mistake Vogel made in his analysis.<br />
<br />
Reference: The "Thulium" Spectrum is shown at time mark 8:44 of the video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4koTWaohZxc&feature=related . Again, that is Aluminum with traces of Silver and not Thulium.<br />
<br />
--[[User:Gerswin2002|Gerswin2002]] 19:04, 8 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Sheila said ... ==<br />
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Well Gerswin2002, I guess that's your opinion. Vogel did note the secondary band (which was there) but somehow you claim it wasn't? Any nut job can come on here and make all sorts of claims. Come on, tell us your real name and qualifications. Sorry but having "experience" does not make you an expert. I think I'll go with the guy who had numerous patents based on information gleaned from investigation. How many patents do you have?<br />
<br />
--[[User:Sheila|Sheila]] 15:56, 11 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Sheila said ... ==<br />
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Sweet6b9, those black triangle craft are none other than your very own terrestrial black ops. They have been around for at least 30 years - no aliens involved. A former military person informed me he had seen ufo craft in a hangar as far back as the '50s. They were sworn to secrecy. He also said that it was common that U.S. military personelle were brainwashed after coming out of the bush to make sure they kept their mouths shut.<br />
<br />
--[[User:Sheila|Sheila]] 16:06, 11 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Gerswin2002 said ... ==<br />
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Sweet: <br />
Aluminum and Thulium do have very close strong band (1.486 and 1.462 KeV respectively), you can verify that in the links below:<br />
<br />
http://www.radiochemistry.org/periodictable/<br />
http://www.edax.com/literature/periodic.aspx<br />
<br />
Vogel himself says the following (9:16 time mark of the video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4koTWaohZxc&feature=related ):<br />
<br />
"Now, the remarkable thing that we noticed was that, yes we got this band here [points to the 1.462KeV] this is the only one that matched in the spectral analysis in the computer, but the secondary bands that are connected with it [points to the bands at 7.17 KeV and 6.34 KeV] were not present" And his spectrum reflects exactly what he says.<br />
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You can check what an EDS spectrum for Thulium looks like in http://www.cannonmicroprobe.com/XRay_%20Spectra.htm scroll down to find it. It looks nothing to what he shows.<br />
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The metal he shows is clearly Aluminum and not Thulium. The EDS computers, even today, get the element id wrong many times. Human intervention is required all the time for proper EDS element identification.<br />
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"You can check what an EDS spectrum for Thulium looks like in http://www.cannonmicroprobe.com/XRay_%20Spectra.htm scroll down to find it. It looks nothing to what he shows." <br />
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Except for one band at presumably at 1.462KeV which I say is 1.486KeV.<br />
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Only solid, clear, and unambiguous evidence matters and not the person's credentials. Vogel DOES NOT have such evidence for Thulium. <br />
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By the way, if you have more EDS spectra presented by Vogel, I'd love to review them. Please post the links to them.<br />
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== Gerswin2002 said ... ==<br />
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Sheila,<br />
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As a matter of fact, please direct me to any posted EDS X-Ray Spectrum data collected by Vogel either in print or in video. I'm extremely interested in checking his data. I have been looking on the internet for the spectra he captured and I cannot find it.<br />
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I'm more interested in his data than in his opinions.<br />
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Thanks,<br />
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== Sheila said ... ==<br />
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Well Gerswin, the specimen contained "very pure silver and very pure aluminum, potassium, calcium, copper, argon, bromine, chlorine, iron, sulfer and silicon" and "an astonishing mixture of almost all of the elements in the periodic table". So based on that information I'm sure you'll find them all. I don't have a link. So what is your purpose in all of this? And how much experience do you have with cold fusion?<br />
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</div></div>Sheilahttps://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/w/index.php?title=Talk:Scientific_Experts%27_Comments_on_Meier%27s_Evidence&diff=17772Talk:Scientific Experts' Comments on Meier's Evidence2011-12-11T16:06:32Z<p>Sheila: Comment provided by Sheila - via ArticleComments extension</p>
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All other opinions asside, I have seen the proof that these contacts are real as the US Government has extensive records related to the fact that these contacts are real. I do not have these records but I am attesting to this fact for all to see. They have and are having contact with the Baffath and are working with them as evidenced by the Black Triangle ships that are being seen world wide. For Video Evidence search Triangle UFO or TR-3B online or on YouTube.<br />
Peace & Wisdom<br />
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== Gerswin2002 said ... ==<br />
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That metal is Aluminum and not Thulium. The EDS spectrum that Vogel shows corresponds to Aluminum with traces of Silver (see reference below). Thulium has a strong band at 1.462 KeV. This is very close to the Aluminum strong band at 1.486 KeV and without the "secondary bands" as Vogel himself noted. <br />
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I have experience with EDS X-Ray in Scanning Electron Microscopy; it is easy to confuse elements and, since there are no secondary bands, the metal is the very common element Aluminum and not the rare Thulium.<br />
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I'm surprise that in almost 30 years nobody noticed the mistake Vogel made in his analysis.<br />
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Reference: The "Thulium" Spectrum is shown at time mark 8:44 of the video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4koTWaohZxc&feature=related . Again, that is Aluminum with traces of Silver and not Thulium.<br />
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== Sheila said ... ==<br />
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Well Gerswin2002, I guess that's your opinion. Vogel did note the secondary band (which was there) but somehow you claim it wasn't? Any nut job can come on here and make all sorts of claims. Come on, tell us your real name and qualifications. Sorry but having "experience" does not make you an expert. I think I'll go with the guy who had numerous patents based on information gleaned from investigation. How many patents do you have?<br />
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--[[User:Sheila|Sheila]] 15:56, 11 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Sheila said ... ==<br />
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Sweet6b9, those black triangle craft are none other than your very own terrestrial black ops. They have been around for at least 30 years - no aliens involved. A former military person informed me he had seen ufo craft in a hangar as far back as the '50s. They were sworn to secrecy. He also said that it was common that U.S. military personelle were brainwashed after coming out of the bush to make sure they kept their mouths shut.<br />
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--[[User:Sheila|Sheila]] 16:06, 11 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
</div></div>Sheilahttps://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/w/index.php?title=Talk:Scientific_Experts%27_Comments_on_Meier%27s_Evidence&diff=17771Talk:Scientific Experts' Comments on Meier's Evidence2011-12-11T15:56:42Z<p>Sheila: Comment provided by Sheila - via ArticleComments extension</p>
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== Sweet6b9 said ... ==<br />
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All other opinions asside, I have seen the proof that these contacts are real as the US Government has extensive records related to the fact that these contacts are real. I do not have these records but I am attesting to this fact for all to see. They have and are having contact with the Baffath and are working with them as evidenced by the Black Triangle ships that are being seen world wide. For Video Evidence search Triangle UFO or TR-3B online or on YouTube.<br />
Peace & Wisdom<br />
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--[[User:Sweet6b9|Sweet6b9]] 23:52, 16 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Gerswin2002 said ... ==<br />
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That metal is Aluminum and not Thulium. The EDS spectrum that Vogel shows corresponds to Aluminum with traces of Silver (see reference below). Thulium has a strong band at 1.462 KeV. This is very close to the Aluminum strong band at 1.486 KeV and without the "secondary bands" as Vogel himself noted. <br />
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I have experience with EDS X-Ray in Scanning Electron Microscopy; it is easy to confuse elements and, since there are no secondary bands, the metal is the very common element Aluminum and not the rare Thulium.<br />
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I'm surprise that in almost 30 years nobody noticed the mistake Vogel made in his analysis.<br />
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Reference: The "Thulium" Spectrum is shown at time mark 8:44 of the video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4koTWaohZxc&feature=related . Again, that is Aluminum with traces of Silver and not Thulium.<br />
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== Sheila said ... ==<br />
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Well Gerswin2002, I guess that's your opinion. Vogel did note the secondary band (which was there) but somehow you claim it wasn't? Any nut job can come on here and make all sorts of claims. Come on, tell us your real name and qualifications. Sorry but having "experience" does not make you an expert. I think I'll go with the guy who had numerous patents based on information gleaned from investigation. How many patents do you have?<br />
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--[[User:Sheila|Sheila]] 15:56, 11 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
</div></div>Sheilahttps://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/w/index.php?title=Talk:How_did_our_universe_and_our_world_come_into_existence%3F&diff=17734Talk:How did our universe and our world come into existence?2011-11-30T02:27:59Z<p>Sheila: Comment provided by Sheila - via ArticleComments extension</p>
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== ory said ... ==<br />
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How many absolute absolutums are in existence .<br />
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and absolute perfection does not exist anywere , do you agree .<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Just my opinion, from what I can gather, the Absolute Absolution is the highest "state of BEING" reached after Creation has evolved or "obtained" the 10 to the 49th power of evolution, in which more Creation(s) are created and "adds" to the endless/timeless of a never ending "expansion" of the Absolute Absolution which "exists" in the non-space realm.<br />
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Absolute Perfection can never be "obtained", it is always evolving, and if it did reach that "stage", then evolution will cease to evolve...it is a never ending process that continues forever.<br />
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"It" or better described as<br />
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== Suv said ... ==<br />
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Even Creation is evolving. So absolute pefection does not exists.<br />
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Even the Absolute Absolutum evolves into Ur-Absolutum, Central Absolutum, Creations Absolutum, Super Absolutum, Sohar Absolutum, BEING Absolutum and possibly many more higher Absolutum forms.<br />
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== Stuart said ... ==<br />
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Hi, I do not have a religious axe to grind, but I find the comment about being no Creator God.<br />
If these happening are the result of 'Spiritual-Physical' processes, how can a 'Creator' not be involved. Also, this 'birthing' process was set up to behave in a particular manner. Where did it's programming come from?<br />
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== Noahochoa said ... ==<br />
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can you explain the 7 universal belts to me?<br />
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== Noahochoa said ... ==<br />
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can you explain the 7 universal belts to me?<br />
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== Sanjin said ... ==<br />
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Stuart, something did in a sense give birth to the Creation, but the Creation itself created the visible universe from its own idea. In a similar sense, someone did give birth to you, but you are still creating your life. <br />
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Noahochoa, FIGU Bulletin #5 has a good explanation or just do a search on "belts" to see what the Plejaren say themselves.<br />
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== Usedname said ... ==<br />
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Glory be to the Creation. :) Extremely difficult and seemingly impossible is the distribution of the truth about the almighty Creation,its laws and recommendations. Seems like my existence on Earth is amongst degenerate primates who swing on the vines of trees in a jungle of impenetrable ignorance, arrogance,and megalomania. :(<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Actually it would be futile in attempting to conceptualize where or when Creation starts or ends because “its” idea is a result of countless accumulations of knowledge and experiences from various foundations of evolution to include the material as well as the non-material realms of existence.<br />
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The very nature of Creation is the evolutionary process of being into BEING and BEING into being and so forth, the merging from the physical to the half physical/spiritual to the Arahat Athersata to the Petale and so forth. Thus Creation can never be “contained” in any shape, form or thoughts for doing so (if possible?) would violate its free will of evolutionary nature. <br />
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It is like saying “I will think for you, therefore I am you”! You are not longer unique but just another clone that has just stopped evolving.<br />
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== Radacci said ... ==<br />
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is there an inconsistency here?<br />
it states at the first line that big bang comes from ur-universe.<br />
but it says creation universe is the lowest evolution state, and next comes ur-universe?<br />
if we're an creation universe, how can creation universe exist before ur-universe, which gives it birth?<br />
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== Markvd said ... ==<br />
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Our universe has a twin I wonder if it had octuplets and that occured because of the big bang X2 and the Earth came to be through billions of years of collsions in which our planet came to be. It's amazing how quickly we can destroy a planet knowing how long it takes to create one. Weird. <br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Excellent summary and I would like to add a little "salt" to the bitter truth that NO god or gods or for that matter any religious dogma has a MONOPOLY on Creation! For Creation, because it is Relatively perfect and constantly evolving forever "it" needs more knowledge and experiences to continue merging into more creative endeavors.<br />
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Thus, every single human and other intelligences knowledge/experiences will also in due course merge into the Absolute Absolutum to again create more wonderful things. To claim that these god or gods have absolute control of Creation is a travesty of justice against humanity for this concept only validates the barbaric nature of some parasitic entity existing at the expense others.<br />
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== Newb slayer said ... ==<br />
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"Relatively perfect and constantly evolving forever "it" needs more knowledge and experiences to continue merging into more creative endeavors. "<br />
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It needs more knowledge and experiences at my behalf though - at my expense. How convenient. Congratulations, enslaving parasites for your amazing insights.<br />
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It needs more knowledge you say? ROFL. Theres empty space. Then thers stuff you can build and shape any way you want on top of the empty space. What more knowledge is there to know? Needs more knowlege you say? What knowledge can it really get when it created / molded the constants/parameters to behave in whatever way it wants. You ass kissers don't understand anything.<br />
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Easy for our Creator to play its f@ggot game since it had the chance of being created first before anyone else, it could have easily been the other way around, except I wouldn't even think to create eating, shitting, breathing, animal bloodsports, being at the mercy of random psychopath's weapons, forcing all to suck cock / eat vagina against their own will, etc, etc, etc.<br />
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You parasite criminals think you understand? You understand nothing. You are nothing but puppets. Retard bondage clowns, understand simple logic, Creation can do anything it wants with its stuff/constants/parameters. So why do retarded/annoying sh!t on purpose?<br />
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And all of you, you went along with this. If you humans on all planets had a gram of righteousness in you, you would stop reproducing to force Creation to change it's laws to be more fun. Laws like for example, those that want to be granted freedom from reincarnation must be granted it. It's only fair.<br />
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Of course I wouldn't expect unrighteous enslaving parasite c0ck starved bondage clowns like yourselves to understand this.<br />
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Like bizzare weasel cockroaches you roam the planet pillaging everything in your path. You then choose an inverse genital target to have an inverse relationship and to force another into cocksucking expeditions. Through succesive lifetimes you swap genital roles and have at it again. Like bizzare weasel cockroaches it required inverse genitals to lure you into decreasing your psychopathness. NOW THAT YOU KNOW THAT ONE LIFETIME YOU PARASITED XY, THE NEXT IT WAS YOUR CHILD AND YOU SHOWERED IT WITH EFFORT/WORK/TIME, THE NEXT YOU CUT ITS THROAT, THE NEXT YOU DEEPTHROATED IT'S COCK FOR 5 HOURS STRAIGHT, I WANT ALL OF YOU TO ENJOY TAKING EACH OTHER SERIOUSLY KNOWING THAT GENITALS WERE THE PIVITAL DIFFERENCE, ENSLAVING PARASITES THAT YOU ARE. THAT'S THE MASTERY OF OUR CREATOR.<br />
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--[[User:Newb slayer|Newb slayer]] 01:08, 27 November 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Zameen said ... ==<br />
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That was awesome. Completely unhindered by the need to know anything about this case yet, totally focused on hating it also. Amazing, Eloquent, Ignorant, Masterful....Me Gusta.<br />
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== RemR said ... ==<br />
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Yeah, wow... "Newb slayer" - That was such a nonsensical, illogical, crude, primitive, defamatory and puffy-chested post that I don't think it even warrants any more than this remark in response.<br />
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== Markvd said ... ==<br />
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Someone wants attention, I don't know who but I think they might be onto something. :)<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Newb slayer,<br />
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I would highly recommend your credentials to be a judge for the Giza Intelligences on that prison planet millions of light years away! It's just too bad they all died in 1996. Maybe we can find you some employment for other degenerates in the DERN universe who are in need of such "Enlightenment".<br />
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== Newb slayer said ... ==<br />
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"Completely unhindered by the need to know anything about this case "<br />
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I know this case perfectly well. I do not debate that master Meier is the real deal prophet of the new time, nor do I debate the math/physics of the case or anything and everything in general.<br />
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I'm simply stating that Creation's laws are injust.<br />
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THOSE THAT WANT FREEDOM FROM REINCARNATION MUST BE GRANTED IT. It's only fair. Anythign less is enslaving bondage.<br />
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You see, bondage clowns, "love" is a 2 way street. It's not "love" any more if it's forced. Then it's bondage. If I was Creation, I would allow freedom from reincarnation to those that wanted. The masters/elite get to escape on to better things, and you that enjoy building weapons and rectal residue can have your fun, everyone wins.<br />
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"Ignorant". ROFL. Look at yourself in the mirror to see who willfully IGNORES all angles on the table. You are nothing but puppets/sheep/cattle blindly following what you have been told without scrutinizing deeply in your own interior everything.<br />
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Don't get me wrong, what you've been told is the truth, Meier is the real deal, I know this fully well, the point is: THOSE THAT WANT FREEDOM FROM REINCARNATION MUST BE GRANTED IT. Is this so wrong?<br />
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Anything less is enslaving bondage, and it's this principle why you are being torn apart and brought back down to reality, not what you want to cram down other people's throats: that's not "love"; "love" must be reciprical. Those that want it, full power to you, those that don't, must be granted freedom from reincarnation; everyone wins; everyone is happy. SOMETIMES, THE PRINCIPLE MATTERS. SOMETIMES THE PRINCIPLE IS EVERYTHING.<br />
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== Sheila said ... ==<br />
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Newb, you say those that want freedom from reincarnation must be granted it? Since you don't remember who you were in your last lifetime, how the heck is this going to make any difference? So you think it's better if you don't reincarnate? What would be the purpose in that? To stagnate and never evolve? Each subsequent life should have a chance to make themselves better because currently humans need a lot of work. You've said so yourself. What you're missing is that all people have free will. THEY choose to do all those things you speak about. Personally I blame religion for most of that and people's weak mindedness to do the easy thing (or to go along with the crowd) instead of what is considered hard work.<br />
I think you're stuck on some concept that is meaningless in the whole scheme of things. Love ya!<br />
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Thank ypu Sheila. You beat me to it! Salome!<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Newb does have some valid points on the discrepancies between the “masters/elite” known as parasites to include the gods, their cohorts the sons/daughters of heaven, creator overlords, Giza and other ET’s that still harbor thoughts of world and universe domination at the expense of others.<br />
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We are all victims of these injustices, including Billy Meier, whose incarnated spirit of Nokodemjon is also bearing the same experiences we all are going through in spite of the fact that he co-created both the Plejarens, their ancestors including the creator overlords (responsible for the ageing manipulation and the reason why we don’t live past 100 years) Even Billy Meier’s spirit is subjected to the reincarnation process even though Nokodemjon was a pure spiritual form of the Arahat Athersata level, it to is going through this painful period to last millions of years or more even just to reach the half spiritual level again.<br />
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To say this is unfair, I would certainly agree for there are options to resolve this, but those in power to do so still have not “found” the logical humane cosmic laws to reference its appropriate applications nor the will to do so. The capacity to render this solution lies in both inside and outside of Earthly domains, it is the merging of both worlds that the final solutions will be forthcoming.<br />
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It is also true that creational laws as currently known to exist will not work to resolve the gross travesty inflicted on both the spiritual and material planes currently experienced on Earth. These laws need to evolve at the same intensity that produced such degenerated conditions because of the Cause and Effect which was and continue to be negated by its opposite, the Not-Cause and Not-Effect, because the forces that could have prevented such events from occurring did not react in DUE time, it was and continue to be “after the fact” as displayed in the intervention from higher intelligences during the Bardan episode when they destroyed several worlds in their homelands a little over 1000 years ago.<br />
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Does it have to take this sort of crisis in order for creation to “readjust” its equilibrium, or do we wait 800 years as the Plejarens have predicted before they believe its time Earthly matters are to be taken seriously?<br />
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When Billy says “we are all connected” is so very true and I am confident to mention that we are linked through the spirit’s various connections from the material to non-material spectrum that spans time/space and dimensions up to the spiritual level where Nokodemjon came from and even beyond. It is when one finds these connections that he/she has which also links to others as well and when his/her spirit begins to resonate from logical reasoning’s between the material conscious and subconscious, that these links also begin to resonate along its appropriate paths that will produce the harmonic impulses for the most appropriate equilibrium resolutions. This resolution is administered through the “Equational Potential Formulations”, a complex form of balanced forces that includes every single incident, event, space, time, dimensions, actions/reactions, Cause & Effect, Not-Cause & Not-Effect, both the positive and negative factors or parameters and other things, nothing is excluded. Its concept is not listed in Billy’s materials and I only discovered this rather recently, its application cannot be applied using Earthly technology, but requires much higher frequency processing because fine matter energy is also included which plays a very important function<br />
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== Markvd said ... ==<br />
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Due to fluctuating thought process Newb Slayer I suggest being incarnated as often and fast as possible as some members suggested to find a more stable Peaceful Slayer. The change in fluctuating TONE can ONLY be improved THROUGH multiple LIFETIMES. ;) Hang in there my fellow human people. I thought of that very same scenario as well to tell you the truth due to the unnatural process of incarnation in this territory but a little more organization let's say 75% more and everyone can develop accordingly if everyone wasn't crammed into one planet in the region and there was a clear goal for every human on the planet that doesn't have to do with material or power growth. Time will tell if the process becomes natural. <br />
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Silly newbs, all your robot newb antics were already answered 10fold in the first post. You lack reading comprehension. So you puppet cattle sheep newbs want to be slain mercilessly do you? Let’s begin.<br />
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To the newb clowns known as Sheila and Zameen:<br />
“you don't remember who you were in your last lifetime, how the heck is this going to make any difference?”<br />
Are you mentally retarded? It’s not about that; this was quiet clear from the get go. It’s about not liking living in a weakling shitty, snot filled, need to breathe just to stay alive disgustingly ugly human body, easily harmed and injured. It’s about a rejection of the present version of reality (which can be constructed an infinite number of other ways). Ignorant bondage robot, can you understand, that the present version of reality can be constructed an infinite number of other ways by Creation? Can you grasp this simple concept already mentioned in the first post? Can you understand that if Creation wanted to, it could make you not have to eat, not have to shit, not have to work to produce goods, not have any pain sensors, unlocking flight 900000000X easier, not be dependent on you and your kind’s noxious breeding bondage fetishes, to biological weapons, ray weapons, nuclear weapons, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, you C0CKRAOCH CHARGING BONDAGE NEWBS? Can you understand this simple concept, c0ck starved charging bondage robots? Just look at the sh!t that’s coming out of your mouth. I mean, it doesn’t even look like you’re trying to have a serious debate.<br />
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“What would be the purpose in that? To stagnate and never evolve? Each subsequent life should have a chance to make themselves better because currently humans need a lot of work.”<br />
Wow just wow. See the previous paragraph again. Again you come with random garbage. Do you speak the language of logic you maggot bondage robot? Second of all you maggot b!tch, what’s it to you what motives someone has for that; that’s their own business. No one is stopping you from continuing your weapon building, noxious breeding vermin, mini me fetished, cock sucking expeditions with your fellow bondage robots if it turns you on. Those that want an exit must be given an exit. Can you understand this simple concept? Third of all, you stupid animal, - YOU - need a lot of work. You think just because you are fallible, everyone else is as well? You think everyone is at your special needs level? Don’t project your failings/shortcomings onto others. (AND NO YOU STUPID ANIMAL, YOU DON’T GET TO POINT AT ME AS BEING FALLIBLE BECAUSE I’M NOT SUGAR COATING MY WORDS WHILE YOU GET TO BOND OTHERS TO A 14X OVERPOPULATED TOXIC WASTELAND SURROUNDED BY WEAPONS IN A WEAKLING CRAP AND SNOT FILLED BODY)<br />
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“What you're missing is that all people have free will. THEY choose to do all those things you speak about.”<br />
You robot charging b!tch. We’re not even talking about the same thing. Not everything is about you, you charging animal. Yes you have free will to bondage others to a 14x overpopulated toxic wasteland surrounded by weapons, to psychopath predators. I also have free will to knee kick you in the face right after I throw fireballs at you, which is coming you psychopath bondage animal. What exactly is your point you charging robot? Again, it doesn’t even look like you are trying to have a serious debate.<br />
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Sheila, I think you are stuck on some rectal residue, mini me fetished, weapon building, NOXIOUS BREEDING VERMIN concept that is meaningless in the whole scheme of the-infinite-number-of-other-versions-of-reality- that-could-exist things. This is not the only version of reality possible you rabbid animal. Can you understand this simple concept? You stupid charging animal, all of this was already answered in the first post. How stupid do you feel? By the way what are the chances that you are ugly and physically weak / unfit, and unappealing. Pyrokinesis ya. LULZ.<br />
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To the charging bondage robot newb known as Hawaiian:<br />
“Newb does have some valid points on the discrepancies between the “masters/elite” known as parasites.... thoughts of world and universe domination at the expense of others.“<br />
ROFL. YOU RABBID CHARGING ANIMAL. I don’t want universe domination; I want to be space fish, without your idiot restrictions that you have the audacity to force on everyone, just chilling out peacefully not in bondage to PSYCHOPATH ANIMALS LIKE YOURSELF AND LIVING IN A RESTRICTIVE HUMAN BODY. Can you read simple English? This was already answered in the first post. Can you understand simple logic you rabbid charging animal? Me a “parasite”? ROFL, I mean really now, this is the best you can come up with. I want a peaceful exit from reincarnation, MEANWHILE YOU AND YOUR KIND WANT TO FORCEFULLY BOND OTHERS TO A 14X OVERPOPULATED TOXIC WASTELAND SURROUNDED BY WEAPONS , TO YOUR DIGUSTING AND WEAK HUMAN BODY, TO PREDATORS, TO JAMAL’S HANDGUN, JUST SO YOU CAN INDULGE IN YOUR BIZZARE MINI ME / POCKET FORCED FRIEND / MORE ADVANCED PET FETISHES, and I’m the parasite? ROFL. Silly newb, it doesn’t even look like you are trying to have a serious discussion: THOSE THAT WANT FREEDOM FROM REINCARNATION MUST BE GRANTED IT.<br />
As for the history lesson. I already know the history. I’m interested in having an abstract debate, not your trivial human b!tch games. In fact you just ridiculed yourself. In all of that horrible history you just described, you (and your kind) ego tripping bondage robots went along with it. GOOD WORK CHARGING BONDAGE GHETTO NEWBS. You psychopath bondage robot(s) have to ask yourself 1 question. Who’s the bigger psychopath? The psychopaths themselves? OR YOU WHO REPRODUCES BESIDE PSYCHOPATHS? ROFL. Weakling animal, the point of life is to achieve Creation’s level of power/mastery/godliness. The present version of reality's constants/parameters was constructed with heavy limitations to teach bondage clowns like yourself a brutal lesson. ROFL. An essential lesson of Creation's game (straight from master Meier’s mouth) is, “the mastery of one’s ego”. When you are surrounded by criminally overpopulating noxious breeding vermin and weapon builders, you don’t reproduce. In doing so, your spirit is effectively teleported in time (you wait , till the primitive animals on the planet have reached a compatible level of evolution for it to be reinserted), or in space (if the primitive noxious breeding weapon building animals eradicate themselves, your spirit moves to another planet). By you having bondage fetishes and going on an EGO tripping bondage rampage you only own yourself. Congratulations psycho newb. That's the mastery of our Creator you charging ego tripping animal. That’s kind version of it. Now for your newb slaying version: if all humans on all planets reject Creation’s primitive laws, it will have no choice but to alter them: to allow freedom from reincarnation should one desire it, and to remove all of the unnecessary restrictions.<br />
The rest of your post was just random gibberish. Charging bondage animal, everything was already answered in the first post: It doesn’t matter if you accurately described the present version of reality, because an infinite number of other versions could exist, yet you ANIMAL BONDAGE ROBOTS INSIST ON PRAISING THE LOWEST OF THE LOW. Everything was already answered in the first post: there’s empty space; then there’s stuff Creation can build and shape an infinite number of ways on top of (in) the empty space; then there’s your choice whether to accept it or not (via reproduction). Charging bondage robot, again this was already answered in the first post. Charging bondage robot, FREEDOM FROM REINCARNATION MUST BE GRANTED TO THOSE THAT DESIRE IT. Not everyone craves the bondage like you do. Who could have known?<br />
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To cockroach newb known as MARKVD:<br />
Your random gibberish was already answered. An enslaving parasite till the very end are you? (those that want freedom from reincarnation must be granted it). Well you animal, what you fail to understand is that through your own bondage ego, you are open to manipulation and erradication. I suggest you get over your fetish with forcing your bondage on to others. Is that the only language you understand? So what you want is to force everyone into ass kissery with no option of a PEACEFUL exit to those that want it? And you find this reasonable? An enslaving parasite until the very end are you?<br />
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PS. Genitals.<br />
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PPS. mini me fetishes, MORE ADVANCED PETS, pocket forced friends. flagrant prostitution. RECTAL RESIDUE. CUM SHOTZ. DIRTY SANCHEZ. GOLD SHOWERS. machine guns, atomic bombs, poisonous oxygen depleted air, nutrient depleted food, politics, paper pushing, projectile semen, deep throating, biological weapons causing gruesome slow deaths, mana depleted earth, noxious breeding reproduction, Lady Gaga, Nicki Minaj, genital logic, bondage, RICHARD GERE PRESENTS GIRBLING.<br />
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PPPS. What are the chances that all of you are ugly and physically unappealing. Tremble in fear hypocrite/irresponsible charging ghetto newb bondage clown robot life form psychopaths. The elite (the true elite, not comparable to the 2nd place material elite) are back. We show up every few 10 thousand years to give you a more personal taste of the bondage you crave, enslaving parasites that you are. Are you ready for your next massacre? Enjoy the anticipation.<br />
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http://feww.wordpress.com/2011-disaster-calendar/<br />
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http://images.wikia.com/starwars/images/4/49/ZannahDoEcropped.jpg<br />
http://ssj1011.tripod.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/broly.jpg<br />
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What are the chances all of you are ugly animals with bodies that look like living corpses?<br />
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jc-tTO8PpoQ<br />
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYYt3T3SxV4<br />
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Who the fvck do you think you are that you get to forcefully bond others to you without the option of a peaceful exit: freedom from reincarnation must be granted to those that want it. On your knees. I want you to beg for forgiveness, not suck c0ck like you were hoping, ENSLAVING PARASITES THAT YOU ARE. The true elite are back. We show up every few 10thousand years to give you a more personal taste of the bondage you crave, ENSLAVING PARASITES THAT YOU ARE.<br />
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Meier’s words: “The world will reverberate from a powerful and merciless war cry, and cities will be destroyed, and the blood of human beings will flow in streams.<br />
Hatred and vindictiveness will flood the earth, and human beings will live with the delusional belief of a doubtful peace, which they hope in vain to attain, for a worldwide war will inundate the earth, and nobody will be spared; not the old, not the women and children, not the sick and the injured, and not the just and the peaceful.”<br />
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and why should the women be spared, they are equally evil psychopaths, they are males in vaginal avatars after all, c0ckhungry charging bondage robots.<br />
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Some ask for a peaceful exit from reincarnation and you dare come to the discussion with your regujitated bondage fetishes. Are you ready to have fireballs thrown at you? Since you refuse to understand verbal logic (you must all either convince Creation to grant freedom from reincarnation to those that want it, or you must all halt reproduction on all planets to demand Creation to change its bondage laws to grant freedom from reincarnation to those that want it), perhaps you'll understand magic used against you logic, ENSLAVING PARASITES THAT YOU ARE. Enjoy being born in 20/40/80 years after your death and being enslaved (via reproduction) just like what you like to do, while some get to skim though your bondage in thousands of years. Enjoy the apocalypse bondage animals; it doesn't come often, and it will be giving out enriched extended lessons on the topic of bondage, ENSLAVING PARASITES THAT YOU ARE.<br />
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--[[User:Newb slayer|Newb slayer]] 20:56, 29 November 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Markvd said ... ==<br />
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Nice to meet you to, I do not know why you exist right now if you are so happy. You know what you can do to rest in peace. :) I do wish you well on your journey of endless growth and development. <br />
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--[[User:Markvd|Markvd]] 21:19, 29 November 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Newb "the psycho" slayer,<br />
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Have you forgotten to take your medicine, maybe double your dose of Prozac? You talk so tough while behind a keyboard so I suggest you start sending me some direct aggressive impulses so we'll see who becomes the slayer of your delusional sick mental degeneration thoughts?<br />
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Why attack Zameen and Sheila who tells the truth about yourself that only an idiot like you won't admit to and learn from the process? You got no class and Jamesm should just erase your filthy postings.<br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 21:26, 29 November 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Sheila said ... ==<br />
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Freedom from reincarnation is never going to happen Newb slayer, no matter how many times you say it or wish it. So you better get over it. I agree with Hawaiian, you really need to get back on your meds. I laughed my ass off while reading your rant, you sound very much like a child who can't get his way. Grow up and start talking like an adult so people can understand what you're saying. You don't make much sense. But I'm sure you get that a lot in your everyday life. You have a very sick version of reality. But that is your version alone and I'm glad it's only you that has that opinion. Do you think maybe your mom didn't love you enough? Oh and lay off the porn, k?<br />
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--[[User:Sheila|Sheila]] 02:27, 30 November 2011 (UTC)<br />
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