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Frank said ...

What Billy is saying here is no more than what all of us know but dont practice.....this to me is just another distraction to DOING what I believe should be done. Talking a good game is just that! a good talk....everyone has this!

--Frank 23:14, 4 June 2010 (BST)

Zameen said ...

To Frank: So why DID you post anything here at all? get back to work! (just being frank.)

--Zameen 23:23, 4 June 2010 (BST)

Neckel said ...

.... only those that really understood behave after their knowledge..... "Wenn es in Fleisch und Blut übergeht"..... Honestly :) globally we do not much better behave than our ancestors the romans, or the european settlers that came to north/south america, in an ethical, moral and human way, only the methods changed and our doing is better covered and disguised and hided also because of our sophisticated media and entertainment industry..... therefore the majority only sees 30 % of what is really happening in the world. To say: "We know all this, but no one is practicing it." is only a cheap excuse with double meaning. For one we think we already know everything, but in reality we did not understand anything. Second one presumes that all the others know it but do not do anything, so why should i do something, because one alone can not do anything,..... what an illusion and a simple excuse to continue like before.

By the way, we are not only talking here but also living it. :)

OM Kanon 32 Vers 106. "Ueber wertlose Dinge macht der Mensch grossen Lärm und grosses Geschrei, über die Weisheit und Wahrheit und über das Wissen und die Liebe schweigt er, denn durch sine Dummheit erkennt er ihren grossen Wert nicht."


--Neckel 08:23, 6 June 2010 (BST)

Sanjin said ...

Quick translation of that quote:

"About worthless things the human makes big noise and big outcry; about the wisdom and truth and the knowledge and the love he's silent, because due to his stupidity he does not recognise their great value."

--Sanjin 18:33, 6 June 2010 (BST)

Mark said ...

I know when I first read the contact reports I was a bit skeptical as well Frank. I thought what the hell are they doing about any of these problems. I think everybody that reads something can interpret it in a different way. I presume that your meaning of "DOING" is for Billy and his Plejaren friends to fix all our wrongs. Correct me if I'm wrong. I read many times Billy ask his Plejaren friends to try and intervene or if they could do something. It's like the people of today, they do something wrong and don't man up to it. If people would take responsibility rather than finding a bailout plan every time they do wrong, our world would be better. WE have to create and shape our own world. I find it rather laughable that we want to advance in technology and fly into space when our current living quarters has a lot of growing up to do.

--Mark 19:35, 6 June 2010 (BST)

Childless said ...

I recognized the problems of over population at a young age and detrimed that I would not produce any offspring. If even half the population would do this we as humans would be on the right path to saving our own existance. There are many children who are orphans and if one can not live without children this is a good choice to make.

--Childless 14:33, 22 June 2010 (BST)

Hawaiian said ...

After reading many of your posting, besides BEAM's and the Plejaren contact notes along with some personal observations, one has concluded that Earth humans as well as others, through its various stages of evolution(s), be it re-incarnations of both Earthly, Lyrian and other advanced ET's that encompass a rather inter-mixed, inter-related web of intricate relationship(s) that connects each entity whether material or non-material, each has certain "potentials", depending on the quality parameters that shaped it's existence on the value of it's positive and/or negative connections that will equally determine its evolutionary rate through the Cause & Effect or the Not-Cause & Not-Effect criteria.

It's this inter-change between fine and material energies that are "normally" conditioned to evolve naturally by Creational parameters, but evolution will often be determined by other avenues if violations continue without the proper logical and humane intervention by the powers to be that have the authority to ensure balance and harmony. This route for those having to fend for themselves are available when they recognize and couple their "equational potentials" to bring about the necessary changes in order to address the wrongs, manipulation, exploitation of generations of abuse.

True, the Earth population as a whole is not a prime candidate for such attributes, but certainly not only the prophets have these characteristics as well, some outside of these parameters have the necessary "equational potentials" to focus such energies that do have the proper pre-requisites to illicit a discharge that will balance the unequal forces which have plagued Earth for so long.

Such examples have already been utilized by the Orions, who first build the Egyptian pyramids finishing the top section by coupling their telekinstics abilities.

Then you have a more recent, yet intriguing event described on pages 7-10 by a former US Army remote viewer named Lyn Buchanan in "The Seventh Sense", when provoked by a fellow soldier who sabotaged his computer presentation to his NATO commanders during the cold war era. Buchanan's anger shut down the entire NATO and Warsaw pact's computer intelligence network, which if true, does indeed indicate the "potential" yet to be discovered in other Earth humans.

However, caution should be warned to those seeking evil manipulation of such "potentials", for feedback does occur with very destructive results. Maybe when this becomes a threat to other non-Earthlings, then intervention may occur, but need that be the case if properly and logically examined by those that have the technology?

The Plejaren and their allies are already, in a more passive way, engaging in the Peace Meditation process, but has have little effect on the insane behaviors on Earth. We have witness the passive effects on the Giza intelligences, who still wreaked havoc in spite of such measures, but only when physically removed, then their evil ways stopped, but its deadly effects continue for another 200-300 years. Maybe its time for more drastic measures that really addresses the root of the problems? And it does not require direct intervention, just the proper "impulses" and appropriate protective inputs as described above in the "web of intricate inter-connections" that are also linked within dimensions through the Cause and Effect relationships.

--Hawaiian 02:05, 23 June 2010 (BST)

Mark said ...

Hawaiian I read your latest comment and was wondering if what you meant was that Earth humanity should be given certain abilites such as telekinesis, mind reading, future interpretation, that they should use it to help man or should these be given to certain individuals. I don't think that would be the best idea. I think like Billy said this is the material state of being and a very early one at that. If we can't handle simple equations such as drilling holes in the Earth which causes natural disasters. I don't think anyone will possess such qualities will be known out there publicly. Imagine what the greedy would do with such capabilities. I think that level of evolution should be reserved for those that understand the effects of what capabilities they possess. I did read that through the universe and it's comedic side some people or as most would call degenerates have acquired some unique capability from one of the contact reports, if they do I sure hope they would never aid those that are not worthy of such tremendous skills. I believe most of our problems really just require a few things, common sense, patience, planning ahead, and utilizing the cause and effect theory in all of our decision making.

--Mark 05:29, 23 June 2010 (BST)

Neckel said ...

Dear Hawaiian,

If you kew what the peace meditation already did for good things you would not say that it had only little effect in the course of history ;) ...... I say only Gorbatschof and Berlin wall...

Good words Mark. :))


--Neckel 10:41, 23 June 2010 (BST)

Hawaiian said ...

Both Mark and Neckel fail to "read" between the lines, simply because you have not yet realize your potentials, study the post more carefully, then the awareness will reveal itself. I know first hand what effects the Peace Meditation has "influenced" since its beginning. Its a passive response from some who can avoid direct intervention since they were responsible as former religious ringleaders as these were accepted into the folds of the Plejarens long ago.

I have just given you and others an example of such "potentials", yet you fail to recognize such abilities that are dormant for those who have such attributes. Why you may ask that such concepts are not listed (as far as I know) in creational laws is the simple fact that as presented by the Plejarens, these laws have to evolve further in order to adequately address the unique circumstances on Earth where Creational Laws have been prostituted by advanced ET's for their benefit at the expense of Earth humans.

Here is one of a few examples, we know that the Plejarens had the opportunity to present an option (if they even considered it?) to those doomed ET's responsible for the mass suicide occurring at Tunguska, forbidden by their home worlds to return or provide technical assistance, because ancestors brought back from Earth the insane religious beliefs a thousand years ago to their home worlds causing death and destruction. It was the same religious insanity that currently plague Earth to this day, mainly from the Giza intelligences, thus here offers a golden opportunity for the Plejarens to take advantage of solving two problems at the same time, but they chose other wise and allowed these ET's to kill themselves and be condemned to this Earth accomplishing nothing. Yet, if they were allowed this other option of redemption, how would things have panned out?

Certainly these ET's would have rounded up the Giza much earlier and Earth would have a much better chance to evolve spiritually, but no...we are here again, on the brink of WW3 and other degenerative events that threaten us every day.

One has to envision this complex "equation" within "equations", along with the Cause & Effect in conjunction to its negative counter-part, the Not-Cause and Not Effect which is listed in the above statement (Tunguska). It is very difficult to describe in words and would be better explained in graphical presentations, where dimensions can be branched off, then re-connected in time zones. But in a nut shell, picture where you stand along with your past personalities, events and the cross roads that determine your attributes, then connect that to all the Cause/Effect episodes along with the Not-Cause and Not-Effect circumstances to see where your "equational potentials" lay in order to reference your options. Creational laws are NOT chiseled in stone to remain unchanged, especially so when dealing with solutions to uncreational results. Being so stagnates the evolution of Creation itself.

--Hawaiian 19:26, 23 June 2010 (BST)

Mark said ...

Hawaiian You keep on commenting about how the Tunguska event occured and how the ET's can ONLY reincarnate of Earth. Reading the contact reports, Asket clearly said that if you were born, realized or created in the DERN universe, you shall only be reborn in the entirety of the DERN universe. The DERN universe to my knowledge is rather vast in size. Those ET's that met there fate could be born into the overpopulated Akart for all we know. They haven't clearly said how or where people's spirit ends up but I believe I read it stays in a spiritual block for around 155 years which we won't even know about because they say that it's like a timeless occurance I believe.

--Mark 20:35, 23 June 2010 (BST)

hilliard said ...

Thanks for everything, to each I give my thanks. In Northern Ontario Canada the earth chaukras have stopped spinning. For hope check out He has the same answers to our 1`500 years of darkness. I do not want to distract from Billy great work but to add hope and a way. Love to each always.

--hilliard 04:02, 1 July 2010 (BST)

Zameen said ...

hilliard: there are no chakras or chaukras. you may ask"what's all this aboot?"Just keep reading and it will all come out in a fine material, and course material wash!

--Zameen 05:08, 1 July 2010 (BST)

Brandon43 said ...

Humans in places of absolute power are the antithesis to everything that is free. The Human will not change without divine intervention. The indoctrination of competition and greed is so pervasive in our psyches, something must be broken within us and it is maddening. I speak out of frustration and I know I should not, but none the less, I feel compelled. The senseless slaughter and murder of endless innocents, I simply cannot fathom any longer as having purpose or providing any useful instruction. It is truly heart breaking and insane. I will pray for us and improve on myself as a result of these things.

--Brandon43 (talk), 04:30, 18 July 2013 (CEST)

Zameen said ...

Brandon: What are you doing here? Praying is a useless practice. haven't you figured that out yet?

--Zameen (talk), 23:39, 18 July 2013 (CEST)

Hawaiian said ...

Mark, I bring up the incident of Tunguska as a comparison to the logical humane reason(s) why Nokodemjon with the help of the various pure spiritual levels including the highest, the Petale who “reversed” his spiritual process in order for him to return again as a material human form in order to reverse the gross injustices his co-created peoples have been doing to others in the DERN universe is quite appropriate.

Looking at the prospective from this angle one can see the involvement of not just an intervention from much higher spiritual levels in order to assist in the material realms which are indeed a rare occurrence since it has and will never happen again. Since this event sets the stage of precedence for future instances that is accordingly to free will by the appropriate authorities in question be it material or non-material Beings, the same logic of humane reasoning does apply for both cases between Nokodemjon and the Tunguska event.

We all understood the logic of Nokodemjon’s case when his armies of mostly androids and some allies brought order in a few decades of war and with assistance from the Arahat Athersata level restricted for quite some time the incarnation process for many of these degenerates in order to create an environment for spiritual evolution to those who were brutally killed or enslaved by his insane peoples. This decree was lifted after some time but proved to be unsatisfactory, since again his peoples waged war again around 400,000 years ago which also created the Ring Nebula known as the “Eye of god”.

Now the Tunguska event has some similar historical events behind its connections for the fact that the Bardans came to Earth a little more than 1130 years ago, mingled with its religious leaders and brought back this insane belief to their home worlds 400 million light years distance which produced wars and the destruction of several planets in their region which was stopped with higher intelligences intervened.

We all know that the malevolent ET’s that came to Earth and destroyed Atlantis and Mu are the ancestors of the evil Giza intelligence along with others of the 144, 228 ring leaders responsible (which included the Plejarens!) for the evilness of religions and god which was what the Bardans brought back to their home worlds. Therefore we have similar circumstances where degenerate so called “advanced beings” from the original co-created Nokodemjon peoples again running amok, this time on Earth when in the early 1900’s the Tunguska event occurred which presented an opportunity to clean up this mess once and for all (again?), but never happened because Nokodemjon was only an incarnated assigned as a planetary prophet without the assistance from higher non-material spiritual forms as was the case in older times.

However, the Plejarens did and do have access to the high council who are half physical/spiritual who in turn do have access to the Arahat Athersata level. This unique set of circumstances could have been taken advantage of by the Plejarens to intervene the same way as what was done in previous times when Nokodemjon did when he first came out of the pure spiritual A.A., but that was never done because the Plejarens were more inclined to adhere to their own set of rules and guidelines. I just hope they pay more attention to current and near future events because the Plejarens are certainly not the only ones with the appropriate technology to influence events in either material and/or non-material realms.

It is the other malevolent ET’s that may decide to “take advantage” of unique opportunities here on Earth because potentials do exist which was never given the opportunity to evolve in a “natural” environment due to forces that did not follow humane justice since creation is supposed to be just that, but none-the-less do because similar to mathematical equations, it has inherited characteristics that continue to evolve and only needs a spark to ignite as in the first creation of universes, but at levels beyond single dimensions which are currently at the Subconscious realms currently residing on Earth with links throughout the DERN universe.

--Hawaiian (talk), Ring Nebula, 05:08, 19 July 2013 (CEST)

Brandon43 said ...

To my brother or sister Zameen: We should refrain from judging others in how they feel or communicate. Few people have the divine knowledge to make such assertions. The revelation of truth is only a step in the process. Do not fool yourself into thinking the madness of this world is any less real. I have faith we will conquer such problems with help and I'm much more aware of things than you may think. The madness must cease and love and compassion must fill the void completely, forever. Love and peace to you all.

--Brandon43 (talk), 16:33, 19 July 2013 (CEST)

Hawaiian said ...

“Divine” intervention or better quoted from historical accuracy is “divine interference” by so called “advanced” human beings calling themselves as “gods” or “sons & daughters of heavens”. They are nothing but human parasites existing at the expense of others, bringing insane religious doctrine and practices that degrade the spiritual evolution of other human beings under their control through ridiculous “praying” to some “divine” entity which in effect stagnates the very spirit form in each and every human being.

It is a travesty against creation to promote such insane beliefs and against free will, because each must choose their own path and eventually become Creation themselves when merging with other spiritual forms with their own contribution to create more universes. To believe that some god or gods are responsible for creation is selfish thinking and illogical since it excludes the participation of other human beings to become creation.

Religion beliefs lead to destruction not creation, intervention is to prevent further destruction, however it is logical for higher spiritual realms to participate in the logical humane endeavors to bring balance and harmony to lower evolving realms in the interest of spiritual evolution when threaten with destruction regardless of established doctrines.

There is no such concept as “divine knowledge”, for again Brandon43 repeatedly keeps saying this insane “concept” because one is blinded by religious contamination and refused to acknowledge that divine excludes everyone else and is something that is unobtainable or out-of-reach realms. It is out-of-reach if one is foolish enough to “believe” such insane exists and therefore “divine” is an illusion for those who know it is foolish, but a reality for those who are corrupted and foolish who “believe” in such non sense. No difference than a paranoid schizophrenic with delusional ideas in their heads that are easily controlled by those who preach religious doctrine, just look at to suicide Islamic nut cases who are willing to kill themselves and others, maybe they would be better off not even made to incarnate if they intend to harm others and prevent them in evolving spiritually?

--Hawaiian (talk), Earth, 02:36, 20 July 2013 (CEST)

Brandon43 said ...

To Hawaiian: I have no idea what you are even talking about. You are too eager to gain the lime light in expressing your views. I clearly made a mistake posting in such an emotional state, lesson learned yet again. Everything about your tone exudes hate. No harm though, better I found out sooner than later. You have a wonderful day.

--Brandon43 (talk), 05:44, 20 July 2013 (CEST)